Never said that either. Saying something has been violent from the start does by no means mean “Islam is all about violence“.
Because I don't know you as a person, and simply saying you believe this or that, doesn't mean you are being truthful. If you want to actual to discuss the issues rationally and thoughtfully then lets start over. From my perspective you've danced around many issues, like the LRA being based on their interpretations of the Old Testament. Their interpretation of the Bible is the basis for their control and oppression. Much like how ISIS's interpretation of the Quran is the basis for their control and oppression.
I've quoted you now at least twice with what you said and I'll do it again. By all means, actually explain what you meant when you said this: Otherwise, since you have been reluctant, I have to make inferences and assumptions.
SO then you don't even love the Muslims that are doing you no harm because you believe that is them bidding their time? You believe every Muslim wants to kill you? Give me some rope to work with here....
Haven't been reluctant, just don't understand why you come up with interpretations that are not part of my actual posts. Again, look at the history of Islam and contradict the statement "violent from the start" or "many conflicts and wars have been done in the name of Islam throught history". Violence toning down during certain stretches doesn't mean it completely ended, so my statement is still correct. And explicitly saying "part of Islam" by no way leads to a foundation for your "all of Islam" accusation.
I can not make it any clearer than that bro. I will pray for the Muslims that are not doing any harm to me, but until they come out and denounce the Koran and its teachings, I will not trust them. Too many examples from past to present about the history of violence in Islam convinced me that Islam can not be trusted.
You said: That's a pretty absolute statement. Do you agree that also pertains to Christianity backed by historical accounts? My overall point is that the Islam hasn't historically been what you seem to think it is, it has peaks and valleys. Ottoman Empire at its peak was a multicultural trade mecca that was the gate between the West and East with Constantinople at it's heart. In order to thrive, they couldn't operate as Iran does or Egypt today as they had to be more inclusive. Eventually Western imperialism spread across the world and overtook Islam and it was never as strong again. The same thing applies to Christianity, it has peaks and valleys. Iran and Pakistan are not the same countries they are 50 years ago. If you truly believe that religion is the issue then open your mind and understand that Islam is in another valley. The balance of power and brutality is in constant flux throughout history. Making Islam the boogeyman only creates a self fulfilling issue and emboldens the enemy. Instead of merely saying "well that's just part of their religion" try and understand why not all Muslims act the same.
Yes, but I'm sure if anyone were to take that job on, he'd get some kind of following. There's nothing like a good old-fashioned stoning to bring out religious fervor.
Hey stop don't shoot ,I believe in Jesus ,sorry to disturb you while you're rehearsing a very beautiful act. Let's get things straight,I thought the things about slapping left and right were true,cool and fun ,but what do I know ...&.vise versa "̶ K̶i̶l̶l̶ fights all the infidels who attack you in a combat ,don't be the aggressor,God do not like unjustice......"
Yes, but it doesn't imply the “all of Islam“ bit that you accused me of. And yea, it is an absolute statement which you can't debunk. Again with the Christianity bullsh**, how many times do I have to repeat myself? Not a fan of any religion, so stop doing this annoying game. Which is exactly what I've said, you are the one making up the idiotic narrative of me saying “Islam is all about violence and has been during every second of its existence.“. Yes, which I have never denied, you feeling the need to “educate“ me is again a result of your own interpretations and not looking at my actual posts. This doesn't excuse terrorism anyhow. Yes, it is the root of the problem. Look at the Quran&ISIS' statements and try to deny it, impossible. Done with this discussion though, it's blatantly obvious you don't read my actual posts and instead come up with a stupid interpretation every time. Have a nice day.
Whatever, you can't keep your story straight and I've read other posts of yours regarding the topic in other threads. It's quite clear. Lastly you said: You are confusing "excuses" with explanations.
My sentiments have been the same in every thread, especially the “not a fan of any religion“ aspect, as it seems mentioning Christianity is the first defense-mechanism you guys come up with. So you still sticking to your narrative proves how little you care about what is actually said. And I'm not keeping my story straight? Funny, you change the narrative every time and still never addressed my replies properly. Still waiting for an explanation regarding Muslims being the vast majority of terror victims, when you made this about Western imperialism. Also can't explain why mentioning Christianity helps your case, mentioning another bad fruit doesn't help yours in any way.
Again, if you have to bring up another religion AND bring up 400-year old history, then what is the point? You are essentially conceding that you are incapable of criticizing Islam or any one single religion without having to make broad, incorrect generalizations. We could criticize other religions, if there were at all some indication that these other religions were what provoked this attack, and therefore had anything to do with the subject. However, it does not appear that the people at this church provoked the attackers in anyway. Love to hear otherwise.
Duh , here is a simple words to simple minds Before blaming another religion make sure your hand is clean, Hypocrisy does not clean history
It's curious how you only cursed when I bring up Christianity compared Islam and how you initially believed LRA didn't have biblical inspiration, maybe nothing but curious. It's curious you think it's a some sort of defense mechanism for guys like me, maybe nothing but curious. And what narrative is that? Spell it out for me. Well because there is a religious civil war between Sunni and Shia, it comes and goes in its severity. Obviously the Middle East is ablaze currently. What's more dangerous to a believer's faith is a separate sect within the religion. While Iran is represented by the minority sect, it wields a lot of power and resources to cause havoc. Did you know in the Iran- Iraq, we supported the Iraqis with aid and resources while also having a hand in overthrowing the previous Iranian regime. Iraq lost and Iran won the war, egg on our face. What tangle webs we weave when we meddle. Western imperialism reached to South America, Africa, and SE Asia. Would you consider most of those countries well off and stable in 20th century? Much better in the early parts of the 21st? Curious indeed. Sure it does. It shows what happens when science and technology unleashes prosperity onto a mostly Christian society in the West. It shows how two religious sects can possibly co exist peacefully, albeit it took Europe longer. Maybe it's just a peak, but it does provide hope.
Because it shows that the current situation isn't how it always has been. There are no incorrect generalizations, just inconvenient ones for those that just want to criticize. And what point does it exactly serve in the big picture? I have never denied this was an awful terrorist attack. I am just curious what your end game is since we all live on the same planet. Just criticize and hope something changes while patting yourself on the back?
Because it doesn't help Islam anyhow and I cursed because you, on multiple occasions, try to act as if I'm playing favourites or defending Christianity. See above, you make up the narrative of me playing favourites and don't worry about what I'm actually writing. Same with your comments twisting my statements on violence and Islam's history. So suddenly, it is indeed about religion and not about a grudge vs the West? Earlier, you tried to explain it by pointing fingers at the West. Has nothing to with religion-based terrorism and you are again pointing fingers at the West instead of looking at the religion itself. My point was about you continuously mentioning bad aspects of the Bible, which doesn't help at all. Both books are filled with nonsense, congrats on seeing that. Doesn't by any means help Islam though. You did these comparisons when people pointed out the violence within the Quran, please don't change the narrative now.
