James Harden is gonna get screwed over again in MVP Voting

I hope not. A Harden that forces things is a harden that throws the most difficult of passes for turnovers and then does nothing but take step back 3s after dribbling out the clock.

Hopefully Harden is yucking it up on the bench and laughing at that awkward Kyle Wiltjer crossover in the 4th quarter of these games.

 

Harden impact on the rockets this season is so much more than Westbrook for okc. This we can see in the wins and our 3rd seed compare to okc 6th seed. If harden don't win the MVP it is because there is something really wrong with the voting process.

 

It's actually 3rd best record vs 10th best record.

 

I'd be disappointed if Harden didn't get it but I can't be mad at Russ.

 

I used to loathe Shannon Sharpe as a player, but he's entertaining on Undisputed. And God bless him for refusing to budge on Harden for MVP. He's not buying into the triple double average trumping winning.

 

The most annoying part is how they cannot just congratulate both Harden & WB on their seasons, they have to diminish what Harden is doing to make their case for WB, which shouldn't have to be the case..

 

"d'antoni inflates harden stats"

like harden didn't average 29-7-6 with mcfail.

like harden didn't average almost 8 assist with terrible shooters like brewer and a center in dwight howard who would not run pick and rolls.

like those shooters would be able to get their shots off without harden's vision and pinpoint passes.

like the thunder's system of bigs sacrificing rebounds doesn't inflate westbrook's stats.

just like the thunder are manufacturing triple doubles for westbrook, the media is manufacturing the mvp for westbrook with false talking points and clear withdraw of facts.

shouts out to joy taylor's cleavage tho.

 

I've always loved Shannon Sharpe and Eddie House doesn't know basketball, his takes sound like what you hear at the barbershop from the dvd man

 

D'Antoni with Nash - "Nash MVP!"

D'Antoni with Kobe - "D'Antoni is a bad coach!"

D'Antoni with Melo - "D'Antoni is a bad coach!"

D'Antoni with Harden - "D'Antoni inflates Harden's stats!"

Meanwhile Westbrook uses 45% of the possessions for OKC and his stats aren't inflated?

 

Stephen A. Smith has argued against that "D'Antoni inflates stats" talking point by citing the obvious. Harden was putting up huge numbers the last couple seasons prior to this one. And Shannon Sharpe in that clip I posted just now also mentioned that. Harden had terrific numbers overall last season. Where did the team finish? 41-41 and in the 8th seed. You can have great stats and have your team win diddly-poo(as Jim Mora would put it). DeMarcus Cousins comes to mind.

Anyone who watched the Rockets over the last few years knows damn well that Harden has matured as a player this season. Even compared to 2014-15 when he was the runner up in the MVP race. We don't see the dribble dribble dribble isoball crap anymore like we did under McFail and JB. And he certainly is putting more effort on the defensive end compared to last season. He had 3 blocks last night for chrissakes!

What really infuriated me about the Undisputed clip above is that Eddie House completely dismissed the disparity between 3rd and 6th place as if there is no difference whatsoever. Well last time I checked, the Rockets are 8 games up on the Thunder. The Rockets have the 3rd best record in the entire NBA. They'd have home court in the playoffs over every team not named Golden State or San Antonio if the season ended today. So yes, there is a difference between 3rd and 6th place. Winning in the regular season does matter come playoff time given how the vast majority of Game 7s are won by the home team.

 

skip talking about the westbrook has beat the rockets, spurs and cavs.



WESTBROOK ONLY BEAT THE ROCKETS ONCE IN 4 TRIES!!!!!!

HE'S 1-3 AGAINST THE ROCKETS!!!!





harden beat the cavs, spurs, thunder too. wtf does that mean?

harden also beat the warriors WITH Durant. russ has 0 wins against the warriors this season.

da fuq.

it's maddening to see them jump through hoops to prop up westbrook with discrediting harden.

 

I'm not even gonna watch that Undisputed video...I can't take the stupidity anymore

hopefully the voters are rational and more informed

 

Medias arguments against harden:

1) He has a better team around him

This has nothing to do with an MVP race yet they keep bringing it up, and disregard the fact that Harden MAKES players around him better Offensively. Also let me add that that bookies in the preaseason had OKC with a higher win total then the rockets. The rockets Have the 3rd best record in the ENTIRE NBA....with one superstar

2) RW averaging a triple double (Something no body has seen in 50 years):

Now while this is an absolutely historic feat, it doesent mean you are the MVP not when you base it on MVP winners for the last 30 years.
And especially not when the other leading candidate is only 2 rebounds shy of a triple double himself. This point isnt brought up enough, because the difference Statistically is 2 more rebounds per game for Russel. And those 2 rebounds are absolutely negated when you see that harden has a better shooting percentage and much better efficiency rates.Add to the fact that harden is also making history by accounting for the MOST points in a single season, which has also not been broken in 50 years.

You can see how desperate the media is for russ to win, but i mean if the rockets had one smart nba analyst, ppl will realize that this really shouldnt be a discussion.Its too bad when 90% of the media drive their own agenda instead of stating facts just to be right.

2 rebounds VS 8 more wins and 7 spots in the NBA standings, and everyone is choosing the 2 rebounds....Really? i mean Reallly?

 

put harden on the thunder they sill win high 40's low 50's and wind up the 6th-8th seed.

he may not average a triple double doing it because he'll actually let his bigs do what bigs are supposed to do, but the wins are the same.

 

Such a good point about the 45% of possessions. It begs the question of "valuable to what?" People say that Westbrook is valuable because of what needs to do for his team but I dont buy that. How much better would his team look if they were't running back seat to Westbrook's quest for stats? Wesbrook's story is massive individual effort. The value is individual in a team sport resulting in less wins.

For argument, the current Rockets roster would look much worse if we had westbrook. Our role players and system thrives on rhythm and involvement and Westbrook would be a barrier to that.

 

These Westbrook arguments could be destroyed so easily, but nobody is doing it. Guys like Jared Greenberg and Howard Beck are really smart, but they're not on shows like 1st Take or Undisputed to make Harden's case. Their voices aren't being heard. It's frustrating.

 

On your 2nd point I've mentioned this before, reference the McGwire vs Sosa HR chase. McGwire broke the record first and later in the season set the record. Sosa won MVP. This is the prestigious decades old HR record in a sport that absolutely reveres numbers and yet those voters got it right. These voters look to be going full blown imbecile.

 

shannon's heart is in the right place but he's not really a basketball guy and is out of his element.

any one of us could go up there and completely shut down these bullshit talking points easily.

 

Thats my mentality

 

He actually made a point that can't be refuted. That Oscar did it all the time and no big deal was made of it. The mystique of the triple double is something only in the modern era of the NBA. Without that, Westbrook is just another All-NBA player playing on a medicore team.

Also, no one is mentioning how Harden is having the best offensive year of all time. This goes into the fact that Westbrook is having more possessions for his team but doing less with them than Harden is.