Fox News A. Housley: Surveillance led to unmasking b4 Trump was GOP nominee

CBS, ABC, and NBC says..."Well sounds good to me! Let move on! She has such a pristine and unsullied history of telling the truth."

 

As poor as her history of telling the truth may or may not be, it is many times better than Trump's history of telling the truth.

Furthermore this comes from someone who might know a bit about national security and unmasking names.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecu...ms-plead-for-power-grid-china-cloud-providers

So as great as it would be for Trump supporters if this were actually something extraordinary and politically motivated, we have no evidence that that is the case.

It appears to be par for the course standard business operations for the NSA.

 

Does anyone feel that the backlash against Rice is sexist or racist?

 

No it's an obvious ploy to distract from the inexplicable tangled web of Trump-World intertwined with Putin-World.

 

This is nuance and complexity, something that the core Trumpanzee will not appreciate nor give way on. In the end, Agent Orange will claim victory/validation in his unfounded assertion that Obama had his "wires tapped" as well his followers.

 

I don't believe so. But it could depend on the actual person making the complaints against her.

 

I agree. I thought it was absurd that MSNBC would suggest it.

 

I would be more shocked if MSNBC said something that wasn't absurd.

 

If there is one thing that is sure to bring Republicans together it's Susan Rice and a good ole tar and feather. No I don't think it's racist or sexist... it's just a target right wingers love to put a bullseye on cause they think she's got soft spots they can expose and they can question her credibility from the past. It's no shock they are going after her and not Leon Panetta, Ash Carter, or even Loretta Lynch.

Going after her as a target for a conspiracy theory is no mistake.

A. They are going after the person at the same level as Flynn as to muddy the waters about who was more corrupt. Flynns name will continue to come back up and they need to say "but Susan Rice..."
B. Past history they could use (as noted)
C. They know she will come out and talk and the more she says the more ammo they can potentially get

It's a pretty shameless attempt to divert and rile up theirs base but it cannot be stated enough....

There is ZERO evidence that she did anything illegal other than her normal GD job which is to do the same thing that McMaster is doing right now on a daily basis.

This is nothing but a conspiracy theory until (any) evidence is provided.

(And before you even bring out the whole "but Liberals and Russia", don't forget that the FBI is actually investigating that and there is a mountain or circumstantial evidence)

 

either that or the democrats keep trotting her out to lie. Lied about Benghazi on national television. Lied about Bergdahl on national television. Has now lied about Trump surveillance on national television.

When you do that, people mock you.

 

I wonder what Scooter Libby and Valerie Plame and Dick Cheney think of all this.

This is a sad pathetic attempt by the alt-right and other Repubs to deflect away from Russia by going after someone they know they can attack. They have nothing and know she didn't do anything wrong, but know they can create a lot of smoke with this and maybe improve their free-falling poll numbers.

So pathetic.

 

You just made my point for me. She was an obvious target. Right wingers love going back to their greatest hits.

Also I'm just going to say that Trump fans shouldn't say a damn thing about lying. You are supporting Donald J Trump. You really want to talk about lying? Talk to me about things like evidence, facts, and laws that were broken.

And tell me exactly where she committed a crime again?

 

you want the Republicans to not point out when she lies to the country

When Trump lies you should mock him too. I don;t support Trump and didn't vote for him.

Its unclear if Rice committed any crimes it was certainly unethical. I am capable of judging her actions regardless of what the law says (so are you). As far as evidence and facts, she has admitted to unmasking the wiretaps after she had lied about it 13 days ago. Self confessions are pretty good evidence. The question now would be what was the reasoning she gave for doing so. Better be a damn good one.

 

Authoritarians claim someone is guilty and then look for the evidence.

And what's the Bible verse about pointing out the speck in someone's eye which you have a plank in your own? Lying.... you really want to make a big deal about Susan Rice maybe or not Lying? Let's talk about lying please. Mr 3 to 5 million votes.

 

I didn;t claim she was guilty. learn to read

BTW the above statement you gave would describe Susan Rice's justification for unmasking the wiretaps. She thought he was guilty and then unmasked to find evidence which she found none.

'Maybe lying'? you have doubts? what are your doubts?

 

I want Republicans to talk like rational real candid human beings and not talking point factories. You are more candid than most I have to add. Im not lumping you with Bigtexx or anything but with Rice you are playing into the Greatest hits outrage that I'm talking about. That was my point.

The greatest example was Hillary of course. The outrage was continually pulled back from when she pissed off Republicans as First Lady. Tagging her with every damn thing that went wrong in the world from that point on was strategic because of the Right and the greatest hits.

Here is some evidence and facts- Devin Nunes still hasn't shared the "outrage unmasked" documents. Not to you not to me not to the Intel committee. So when Rice says "I don't know what he's talking out", she's kind of got a point. What the hell is Nunes talking about?

Now people want to say she's lying because she can later explain the normal process of unmasking intelligence reports.

Lying or not, I don't see why why this disconnect in statements(call it a lie if you want) is causing such outrage that it's time to bring out the tar and feathers.

Again... unmasking is not a crime for the NSA director. In order for the reports to get to her the NSA officials approve of them beforehand and she has to log everything in the computer so it should be easy for the DOJ and FBI and Intel Committee to see if she didn't follow procedure.

There is no evidence that she leaked the intelligence documents at all and that any crimes were committed. I don't know how many times it has to be said. This is a distraction witch hunt to say the least and you are giving it breath just because you are mad about a greatest hits track from years ago.

 

That's a very Clintonian answer . Who possibly knows what Susan Rice meant by 'this' when she said 'I know nothing about this'? Sell that **** somewhere else.

she did lie which shouldn't be surprising since she has been caught in other lies. why would you give her the benefit of the doubt?

A leaving administration listened in and leaked phone calls of an incoming administration. Intelligence resources were used to spy on Trump officials. You don't understand why this is an issue? She better hope damn well she can give a good justification because this looks incredibly political right now which is what intelligence officials have been complaining about.

we know crimes were committed. the wiretaps were leaked to the press. SO two questions should follow. who leaked to the press? and why was the incoming administration unmasked? The reason Susan Rice is under the gun is because she did the unmasking so she should be able to speak about the later even though she has been lying about it. It seems very likely she did this for political reasons.

 

Typical Right Wing response. ... "He lies" or "She Lies" as a response to anything while not proving the lie either way but linking back to the Greatest Hits as present evidence based on past events.

In a vacuum I don't see evidence of a crime committed even if one statement had a different response. I've heard both interviews. In the grand scheme of lies, I'm here to tell you that you are losing your sh#$ over nothing. She kind of has a point.... What the Hell is Devin Nunes talking about? I have no idea, and neither do you. Again the INTEL COMMITTEE hasn't even seen the documents you are originally referring to.

UNMASKING Trump officials and the Nunes Outrage press Conference that "Somewhat Validated" Donald Trump's wiretap claims & "AirQuotes" has nothing to do with Leaks, and has nothing to do with Russia. Which means it wouldn't have anything to do with Michael Flynn.

So again.... lie or not. Rice has a point... we don't know what Nunes is talking about. We can talk about Unmasking till we are blue in the face, but we can't speak to the facts of Nunes' "Unmasked Outrage" that sparks this whole distraction debate.

Oh.... and go listen to the Devin Nunes Press Conference again. Nunes said that the names actually weren't unmasked.... its that he could tell who it was. Its all over the damn place. Rice sort of has a point here.

Good lord. You are seriously just confusing people here when you damn well know what happened.

A. Trump & his officials has been under FBI CRIMINAL investigation since July. There is plenty of reason for them to have intelligence reports with their names on it.
B. THEY DID NOT TAP TRUMPS phones. Calls were intercepted when they were talking to SURVEYED FOREIGNERS. Which is perfectly normal. If you called the Kremlin today, and asked to get an interview with Putin for a school paper, that call would be picked up by our intelligence officials. That's perfectly normal.

You say you are not a Trump supporter but you are working pretty hard here to push Trump lies. You aren't alone though.... recent survey showed SEVENTY PERCENT of Republicans believe Trump Tower was wiretapped. That's incredible.

WHAT CRIMES??? What are you talking about? Susan Rice's JOB was to unmask names in intelligence reports. That's what she does. Thats what HR McMaster does now. What the hell are you talking about?

Leaking classified documents is a crime. Unmasking by the NSA is NOT a crime and is normal. How many times does this have to be pointed out.

There is no evidence that Rice leaked anything to the Press. If you are talking about the Flynn scandal being leaked you are wrong here. Nunes said himself that the unmasked documents he's referring to have NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA. Flynn's conversation with the RUSSIAN ambassador about sanctions are about Russia.... therefore different "Unmasking" than the Nunes Outrage Documents which is what the basis of this whole Rice Tar and Feather scandal/non scandal is about.

Even if she or anyone else did Illegally Leak Michael Flynn's conversation to the Press (no evidence it was her. Could have been Steve Bannon for all we know) they deserve a damn meddle for that one. Getting Flynn (A paid foreign agent of Turkey) shouldn't be anywhere near the White House. That was one of the best crimes you can commit in service to the American People.

You have no basis here for pointing to criminal activity, and you are just convoluting and muddying the waters to push a Pro Trump agenda to deflect. You might not be a Trump voter but you are serving him pretty damn well by convoluting the facts.