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Fox News A. Housley: Surveillance led to unmasking b4 Trump was GOP nominee

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by sugrlndkid, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. wouldabeen23

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    Instantly? Trump tweeted this at the end of February and no pressure was applied by the previous admin on the unmasking. I get the need to equivocate, but I'm still missing the harm or the fallout for the current admin as nothing was leaked about the unmasked individuals. Am I missing something?
     
  2. TheresTheDagger

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    So let me get this straight...

    The Obama Administration National Security Advisor ordered unmasking of Trump Administration officials in reports documenting surveillance of foreign entities (presumably Russian entities) and then "leaked" their findings to their friends in the media in order to embarrass the new President and his administration. In addition, its unclear at this point whether this unmasking was legal.

    In the meantime, after over 6 months of innuendo, spying, and bashing of Trump and his "ties" to Russia we still have yet to see any concrete evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part...despite every attempt on the part of those on the left and their mouthpieces to do so.

    Is that about where we are today?
     
  3. tallanvor

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    So assuming the article is correct and Susan Rice did the unmasking, who actually believes she was not acting on orders from Obama?
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    Don't know if it'd be under orders, but I assume it was done with Obama's awareness. By the timeframe we're talking about here, there was already some cause for concern that Trump might be involved with the Russian interventions in the election. So I assume it was high profile enough of an issue that Obama made sure he was briefed on it. I don't think this is one of those "what did he know and when did he know it" sort of things. The question is more whether he was justified in his suspicion.
     
  5. TheresTheDagger

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    Better question. What are the odds we hear this question asked on networks like CNN and MSNBC?

    If their could be a number lower than 0%, I would pick that....
     
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  6. dobro1229

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    I think you are combining/confusing two Right Wing storylines into one here to be fair.

    Story One- One thing going around that Right Wing talk radio is going nuts about is the leaks (they assume are coming from Obama's folks which isn't entirely true), and they are using an MSNBC panel interview last week with Evelyn Farkas as reference to the leaks where Farkas talked about dispersing intelligence with our allies to keep the Intel safe. She had a hiccup moment that Right Wing talk shows seized on and now are using to spew up unsubstantiated claims. Keep in mind Farkas LEFT THE WHITEHOUSE in 2015. The Leaks involving Flynn, etc. happened between October and Dec of last year.

    Story Two- Susan Rice was confirmed to have approved the unmasking of Trump officials in intercepted calls with foreign officials last year.

    Story Two is the important one. Because there could actually be inappropriate things used with this intelligence. HOWEVER... to my friends on the Right... Keep in mind that this is classified information that the Intel committee and the White House are not commenting on. The White House and Trump could declassify if they wanted to... which begs the question why they wouldn't do so if it casts them as martyrs and Obama & Co as evil intruders looking to undermine them.

    Worst case scenario here, Rice & Obama were interested in Trumps incoming foreign policy stance that they could share with their Dem friends to use against them in political conversations at that point or in the future. Again.. there is no evidence that Rice & Obama used the Intel for anything OR if they were unmasked as standard procedure during an investigation... which WE KNOW was going on since July of 2016 at least with the FBI.

    So if you are concerned about Story 2 (which honestly we should be) contact your local representative to ask for an investigation, or simply Tweet the White House & Trump to de-classify the documents so we can see what was discussed. But keep in mind what is or isn't separate, and don't allow yourself to get confused by combining stories like it seems Trump is trying to do here to confuse the two. (yes I think its strategic to combine these stories in one big story where Trump is a martyr to mean ole Obama).

    .............

    And there has not been 6 months of "innuendo, Spying, and Bashing" of Trump reg Russia. Do you need a list of all the circumstantial evidence already out there in the open regarding the Trump campaign & Russia? Circumstantial evidence is just circumstantial but like Adam Schiff says Circumstantial evidence in the courts often leads to charges. If you see snow on the ground in the morning you can conclude that it snowed last night even if you didn't see the snow fall.

    Its not Liberal Innuendo and conspiracy theory. Even if Trump is found to not have personally colluded with the Russians he absolutely was an opportunist to take advantage of it, and enhance the Russians agenda knowingly. He also didn't properly vet the individuals he hired who obviously were not working in the interest of the USA.

    Lets just cut the BS here about Trump and Russia please. To act like his hands are clean here is an insult to peoples intelligence. Doesn't mean he should go to jail (remember Lock her Up) or should be impeached. Its just like how if I'm married I have a ring around my finger to show that I I'm off the market. Trump is going to have this ring on his finger for the foreseeable future and him fans are just going to have to swallow that fact just as Hillary voters had to support that she used poor judgment by setting up a private email server. Hillary voters got over it, and I'm sure Trump voters will get over the Trump Russia scandal too.

    But I don't think we should go tell the other side what is or isn't important about the President, and the facts are the facts. There is a big Trump/Russia story to tell and its not fake news or innuendo.
     
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  7. sugrlndkid

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    JV, you have to ask yourself, that after almost a year(maybe longer)...there is NOTHING concrete that pins Trump to nefarious dealings with Russian operatives...even with "surveillance.." Even with the full disposal of US govt spying tech, the previous administration wasnt able to find anything on Trump. Either Trump is brilliant at hiding his dealing with Russia, OR this was a fabricated story used to slander the Trump administration - liberals cant stomach the possibility of either.

    If Susan Rice is involved(which i still at this time think is speculation), hope this presidency finds ways to prosecute these criminals...
     
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    Susan Rice....giving the Clinton's a run for being caught lying!

     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Well, I don't think it's been a full year yet, but don't know what it says if they can't get anything concrete. Maybe he's innocent, maybe he did something unethical but not illegal, maybe they can't muster admissible evidence to prove what they know to be true, maybe he has political cover, certainly there's a ton about this I don't have a clue about.

    Is it slander though? Certainly, the Democrats are loving it. But, mostly the accusations hurt because Trump won't or can't do much to convince people it's much ado about nothing. He has multiple close associates with Russian ties and doesn't have anything to say on how that happened to be. Some of these relationships involve large sums of money and he's done nothing to assure the money doesn't affect anything. Multiple instances in which his associates were caught out lying about their contacts with Russians, and the only defense offered is 'standard business' and 'nothing came out of those meetings' leaving you wondering why they bothered lying in the first place. He has oddly pro-Russian views and has engaged in pro-Russian decisions that ran strongly against the grain of mainstream political thinking, and there's not much logic offered to defend those positions -- something about fighting ISIS together, but notable weakness in the face of Russian hacking and Russian violations of treaties. I don't think the Democrats are smart enough to make slander this sophisticated. This is stuff Trump does to himself. If all it is was that Trump fell in with a crowd making a lot of money doing business with Russians and his experience there convinced him we should have a friendlier relationship with them, and so he was having conversations with them about how they might cooperate in the future, well he should just say that. It'd be less damaging than the drip drip drip of Russian conspiracy.

    Regarding Susan Rice, I still haven't seen anything to suggest she's done anything illegal or unethical, so prosecution might be premature.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    It's amazing how Trump supporters will ignore evidence that is published and part of the record about Russian interference in the election, but are willing to jump ahead seven steps in their conclusion about Rice doing all sorts of illicit things in order to tarnish Trump.
     
  11. generalthade_03

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    We need to investigate into Susan Rice, the b**** just carried out an order from Barry and his goons.
    Russia Russia Russia....
     
  12. tallanvor

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    http://circa.com/politics/accountab...e-consumed-unmasked-intel-on-trump-associates

    why would you unmask a conversation that had nothing to do with Russian election interference? why would Susan Rice even look at them if they had nothing to do with Russian interference?
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Libs - better start talking about Russia to divert attention! Go!

    (And lol at Susan Rice! Incompetent, bitter, crooked liar!)
     
  14. Mr.Scarface

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    Yet......in her Job, Unmasking is perfecting legal. LOL. DEFLECT....DEFLECT. Unless they can prove she leaked anything...nothing to see.
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    Susan Rice - isn't she the same liar who tried to blame Benghazi on a video? Liar
     
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  16. FranchiseBlade

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    There isn't "actual reason" to blame the attack on the Youtube video.....what you are reading is spin. The attacks were completely unrelated to any Youtube video.
     
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  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Well if you call testimony by one of the ringleaders of the attack not an "actual reason", then you are the one who is off base. I'm reading actual testimony by one of the people involved in the attack. The same testimony used by the intel community to supply the facts to the administration who made the claims.
     
  19. justtxyank

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    Susan Rice is of course denying this, but who cares. She's guilty. As we all know, if it's reported in the media it's true (as long as it supports Dear Leader.)
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I have a lot of swampland to sell you as a ski resort. LOL, I don't doubt you believe the nonsense that you've been given to parrot, but you aren't going to find people in the intelligence community that would know who actually think that the planned terrorist attack was due to a Youtube video....even if some might spin it that way for political reasons.

    They knew that this was a planned terrorist attack from the beginning and it was in no way seriously related to a damn video.
     
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