Russia hired 1,000 people to create anti-Clinton 'fake news' in key US states during election

what fake news are the left claiming swayed voters? What outlets do the left think this fake news was distributed on?

 

To me, you and I are solid and no worries at all. I don't feel very emotionally invested, not even enough to say "****" in a post. But I thought Sam's post was pretty funny. I guess the difference here is that when intelligence agencies publicly say that the Russians intentionally tried to influence our election (multiple agencies), I believe them. When they say the Russians coordinated a hack on the DNC, I believe them. I've long thought, based on empirical evidence, that Wikileaks had become a heavy Russian sympathizer. That's now even more obvious since Assange posited the complete absurdity that Russian media is more free than the American press. LOL. Then, I did observe a torrent of ridiculous anti-Clinton stories on the web in the run-up to the election. Seemed a little fishy, even for histrionic America at election time.

So, I haven't had a CIA or FBI agent come to my house and set evidence in my lap, no. But Occam's Razor and major branches of the intelligence apparatus of the country saying the same thing (including several conservative Republicans), leads me to believe them: Russia wanted Trump to win. They hacked the DNC, gave the results to Wikileaks (or some of the results), flooded us with fake news, and hired (according to recent testimony) 15,000 online trolls in this effort.

That's not how I feel. I don't think that Hillary was robbed. (Not speaking for Sam here, at all. He may.) I don't think the Russians swung the election (though it's hard to prove anything psychological, right?) I just think it's creepy that they had such a strong take, went to significant efforts to **** with us, and that *maybe* there was collusion. Hopefully the Senate gets to the bottom of this, and the ongoing FBI investigation will clear that up.

But Hillary is not relevant to me. The Russian behavior was over the line -- or what I believe to be their behavior, based on what the intelligence agencies are saying. I guess the main difference in us is that I believe the agencies and you want to see the proof yourself, and that's fine. I don't feel 'blinded by partisanship' or whatever. It just makes sense to me that Russians would want a kind of blowhard authoritarian US leader who had done a lot of business in their country before (at least).

(raises arms in triumph)

PS -- damn this site hangs up in Chrome, or maybe it's something else. Had to come back to this lil message 3 times just now.

 

Some did it for money, others were mischievous, and still yet others had nefarious motives.

In 2012, I remember seeing the first fake-news story come across my Facebook feed. It was in regards to the Sandy Hook shooting and the presence of so called "crisis actors". It blew my mind that people were taking that and other stories seriously. I, of all people, fell for a fake news story - about Allen Iverson being homeless (so what?).

I can understand Donald Trump not wanting to attack something he sees as politically advantageous, but it is a serious issues and saying "they did it for money" is not an appropriate summary of the situation.

 

Except dems (and some repubs) are not question who won the election at all.

People are questioning what Trump did with Russia.

 

Not surprising at all.

 

Breitbert for one. They didn't have a problem running the "Clinton murdered FBI investigator" that you also found circulating on Facebook.

 

link pls.

you really feel like this swayed voters? You saw a change in polling because of this story?

 

You seriously don't remember this? One of many articles on it...

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/05/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-denver-guardian/

Other ridiculous "reports" that went out about the same time talked about things like Clinton orgies:

http://conservativetribune.com/hillary-orgy-island-bombshell/

And of course there was "pizzagate"...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/son-of-trump-advisor-booted-after-pizzagate/

 

oh i see. your contention is the election was swayed by the Denver Guardian and conservative tribune. brilliant. The Breitbart article you posted is meaningless. Also none of these articles are what dmoney stated.

How many people are you claiming are familiar with and had their voting altered by this story?

Here is an idea lefties; talk to Trump voters. Ask them why they voted for him. None of them will answer 'pizzagate' or 'hillary murdered an FBI investigator'.

BTW Maxine Waters is still out there pushing the Trump Dossier story. If you want to get mad about the dissemination of false information, then there you go.

 

As usual, you make a challenge, it gets answered, and you then try to move the goal posts. And in the most disingenuous fashion possible. So instead of taking the position that such reports didn't happen, you now take the position that the reports did happen, but that the reporting was in unimportant news sources and didn't sway any voters.

I randomly chose from many different articles possible. The Denver post article mentioned facebook and the preposterous allegation that Clinton had an FBI agent killed.

here's Dmoney's post:

To which you replied: "Link please". See, you can't even be honest when its just a few posts earlier. A small example of the pointlessness of discussing anything with people who so support Trump that they have lowered their integrity regarding any discussion. "talk to Trump voters". A great suggestions, especially on a political discussion forum where most Trump voters now claim they didn't vote for Trump. Again, showing the pointlessness of discussion with people with so little integrity.

 

MY goal post has always been the same. Show me the fake news that lefties think swayed the election. You showed articles on pizzagate and Hillary orgies, so that must be what you think swayed voters.... You are totally out of touch if you think thats true.

where is the link of Breitbart reporting that Hillary murdered an FBI investigator? you didn't post one. I didn't even say they didn't, just wanted to see it. Post it next time, dont post an article about a Trump official being booted for mentioning pizzagate..

NewRoxFan, its ok to let others post if you are unsure what the correct response is. This doesn't make your position wrong just because you don't post. Less can be more.

 

Some of the Lefties claim to have moved on from the Hillary loss but yet here they are still arguing that Russia and their influence is what gave Trump the victory.

 

@robbie380, here's another example of why I believe it happened.

Trump's own ambassador to the UN says "No question" Russia meddled. My understanding is that the evidence must be so strong that there's not even any sense for Trump's own team to deny it happened anymore (which they did deny, attacking intelligence agencies, you will remember, for quite a while).

So that's where I'm at, for what it's worth. So I just think people who deny it now and say "show me the evidence" can definitely say that, but they can't accuse people who believe in the meddling of blind partisanship. Make sense? Cheers.

 

fake news have absolutely no sway on voters, especially given how informed the US public is

 

I'm not. Who is arguing that Russia gave Trump the victory? Hillary's awfulness, Trump's wiliness, and many other factors contributed. I for one have NEVER claimed Trump is "illegitimate." He is many other awful things, but he's our POTUS.

What I can't understand about you righties is why you don't care a bit that the Russians did this, I guess because you have your three branches of government sewn up. It's just like, "sucks for you, liberals. Who cares who the Russians talked to and when. I get to roll back regulations, defund planned parenthood, gut medicare, and delight in your tears." I mean, yes, enjoy that if that's your thing. But the Russians could next decide a liberal will be terrible for America and when that comes (2020? 2024?) and they'll come twice as strong next time, especially if they see us divided on caring / not-caring.

 

did what? you just suggested Russia didn't play apart in Trump getting elected. Also what type of reaction would you like to see the government have to whatever you are claiming Russia did?

 

Let me remind you. Russia is not our ally. The reality is very little proof has been released on what the Russian government did. Its more likely the Russians did more than what they are being accused of. Along with other governments. The fact is Obama had been very antagonistic with Russia and the Liberals put up an even more antagonistic candidate. Do you really expect them to sit back and absolutely do nothing?

You can't sit back and say its not right for Russia to do what they did when we do MUCH MUCH worse to other countries. Further, the same thing we criticize Russia for, we do to ourselves. If its ok if we do it to other countries and if its ok if we do it to ourselves, then yes, its ok for other countries to do it to us.

Before you run off on this tangent, no, its not ok for other countries to rig our election (even though we help other countries do it). Fake news and releasing proof of party corruption is not rigging an election.

 

Russia didn't rig our election. But working with a presidential candidate on strategy in exchange for changing the GOP platform to be less anti-Russia is a serious issue. The whole rig the election thing is a red herring put up by folks like you.

Dems are long over the election, they accept the results. The question is how much has Trump worked with Russia - and the fact that Trump is trying to undermine this investigation into this question is a very bad sign.

 

It is fine to voice an opinion for a candidate in an election. It is fine to point to matters of record about candidates in order to help the chances of a candidate if a nation chooses to do that. Nations do that all of the time.

It is not okay to pay people to spread propaganda, hack people's or organizations' private data and leak that in order to help a candidate win. The United States, nor most nations other than Russia do that kind of thing. We know that Russia did those things, and we know that the Russian government was behind it. We know that already.

 

Again, the Trump supporters on this forum are being dishonest. The issue isn't that Russia's actions resulted in Trump winning. The issue is that Russia worked to influence the election. And, whether Russia worked directly with Trump's campaign to influence the election. The first part has been already proven. The investigation is looking at the second part.

I can see why Trump supporters want to avoid this. But that is what is being investigated.