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Obamacare Replacement

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wizkid83, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm sure that'll be the talking points you are given and to a certain extent I agree with them. Since the Republicans didn't come up with a valid alternative, it'll be their fault for letting the people have what they think they want and allowing Obamacare to fail as it was always intended to.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    I couldn't support Trump any less, but healthcare is important enough to where if he produced a bill that covered more people with quality care, lowered costs, and improved the HealthCare marketplace than I will say now that I will publicly support it.

    I also vow to applaud Trump if he works across the isle to improve ACA for Americans. Because healthcare is bigger than political points.
     
  3. MadMax

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    Absolutely correct...this was a huge part of what was being sold by nearly every Republican running for President or Congress.
     
  4. dobro1229

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    I'm not for labeling a blanketed "The People", but I will say that Trump voters in his power states overwhelmingly voted for him thinking that he would produce a better plan than Obamacare, but Hillary voters voted for her ALSO hoping she could improve healthcare even if that means a new bill or simple small improvements. Who wouldn't want a better plan? If you removed Obama from the equation 99% of those voters would vote for the better plan for them and their families 10 times out of 10.

    But the fact is Obamacare is better than the GOP plan or no plan at all obviously so Obamacare needs to stay in place until something better is on the table. Until that happens the overwhelmingly best thing for the American people would be to work to improve ACA in the meantime... especially the individual market which is what Republicans use to say its struggling (its not elsewhere FYI).

    If Trump and his fans want to say that they want Obamacare to fail so they can blame the Democrats than I'm sorry but that's heartless bullsh#$. You are saying that you are going to support the GOP continuing to do things that hurt healthcare in the US and cost US the American people in order to prove a political point. Its pretty shameful IMO. Nobody has to love Obama and his bill, but they should be able to put country above party to ensure we have the best coverage we can. Not root for undermining healthcare to American families just to prove a political point.
     
  5. geeimsobored

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    Just heard the floor speech from the representative from the Marianas Islands. The Republican bill sounds freaking terrible for all of the insular areas/territories. Apparently they were left out of the high risk pool funding, the Medicaid expansion wind down, and have been given no funding for the tax credits. The AHCA is basically one giant unfunded mandate on a bunch of territories that are already broke.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm not really disagreeing with you, I don't think the Republican plan is considerably better than Obamacare becuase they made a plan that looks so much like Obamacare so IMO they might as well just let Obamacare fail and at that point get serious about a replacement without just trying to pass Obamacare 2.0.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    Why do you think the Democrats wouldn't cooperate on fixes to Obamacare if that means basically keeping the legislation?
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Because they are the party of no.
     
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    What's the count of campaign promises which Trump has already broken?
     
  11. Brando2101

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    GOP moderates need to break with the party whip and extremes and work with democrats to pass modifications to the current system to help deal with issues. They don't need to overhaul the entire system but they all campaigned on "appealing obamacare"

    I don't think he's broken any of them. He just hasn't been able to implement them yet. There is a difference. He's been very successful at increasing deportations of Mexicans. The next big test for him will be passing his insane budget plan. Can the senate filibuster a budget? Don't let him get billions of dollars for that ****ing wall.

    The white house and democrats proposed a series of fixes and the GOP never gave it a chance. You aren't being impartial.
     
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    other ways around; i think dem would, but the rep and trump... don't think so --- love to be wrong though
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Hopefully they go back to the drawing board and come back with something more similar to the Rand Paul plan.
     
  14. geeimsobored

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    They'll be quickly primaried in 2 years. There's no good answer to this situation. The only way you'll see anything is if Trump himself is on board with some sort of compromise bill with Democrats but that will never happen.

    Health care reform might be done until after 2018. This isn't a battle that Republicans can win.
     
  15. Amiga

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    once in a while, we should remind ourselves of our best in the world health care system

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    Obviously healthcare costs are out of control, but don't homicides and auto-related deaths greatly skew our life expectancy figures? Not to mention obesity?
     
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    The party that controls three branches of government cannot agree on what to do about healthcare.

    To quote our own texxxxxxxxx: Republicans, police your own.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Of course they do, that chart is about as honest as the "wage gap" charts. The truth of the matter is that the US has amazing health care when it comes to survivability when people with the same conditions are compared.
     
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    Look at the dancing going on by the liberals! As if they won something!

    Just gives more time to responsibly evaluate what's best for us. Certainly not the end.
     
  20. TheRealist137

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    Hopefully one day Trump comes to his senses and stops being partisan. Do what's right and push universal healthcare. It's what Trump has always believed in for most of his life. Republicans had their chance to do something and it failed. Universal Healthcare needs to happen.
     

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