Live Stream on House Vote: There is 4 hours of debate and I'm assuming there is a lunch break in there. Vote is probably around 3-4ish. I'm not exactly sure how the voting is done. I know they have computer kiosks and vote that way. I guess there is just an announcement at the end of it. It would be cool if it tracked it in real time.
Interesting that are discussions trying to align purchasing of health insurance across state lines to the purchase of car insurance across lines. Politifact shoots that comparison down as Discussing health care, Mike Pence is wrong about how car insurance works http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...iscussing-health-care-mike-pence-wrong-about/
Well its looking more likely that this thing is dead. Even after all the changes, Republicans are still several votes short of passing this. The freedom caucus is predictably demanding even more concessions which of course just makes it easier for moderates to vote no. I doubt they'll hold the vote. There's no sense in being on the record if it can't pass. Congrats to the Republicans. Seven years complaining about the ACA and the Republican "plan" falls apart in less than three months.
Trump want these GOP representatives to be on the record voting against the bill so he can go after them next year.
This was ultimately a win-win for President Bannon, right? I mean, you either get a repeal of Obamacare in favor of an absurdly hard-right replacement, or a humiliated Paul Ryan. That has to be why the WH is still pushing for a vote.
That is the stupidest possible move. I'm sure the GOP will love putting a noose on itself with this one. Enjoy two years of ads about how the GOP voted to kick 24 million people off insurance plans. I'm sure that'll go over really well. I guess Trump wants to know exactly who voted no but this is such a short sighted power play. They're creating a great narrative for Democrats and all the Dems have to do is kick back and watch it unfold.
The big question I have (assuming this dies) is A. Will Trump and the GOP continue to do things to undermine ACA (like what Rubio & co. did with the risk corridors) to try and fool the American people that its Obamas doing from years ago to further push full repeal in a year or two? Or B. Will he do the right thing for the American people and pass changes to ACA that allows for small but effective changes (like helping push competition in individual exchanges market)? I think we have indication that the first option (undermine ACA) would seem more likely and its a shame. So question for the Pro-Trump crowd if you have the guts to answer- Would you rather Trump work to help ACA (assuming it stands in place for some time) or do you want him to play politics with peoples lives in order to prove a point and make Obama & the Democrats look bad? Please tell me where your priorities are? It seems to me like the BigTexx's of the pro-Trump crowd would rather shove lit fireworks up their rear ends than keep in place and improve anything with Obamas name on it even if it is the right thing for the American people and at least 24 million Americans that rely on ACA for their health insurance to remain covered. Option C. here would be to hope the GOP actually drafts a bill that gets more people covered, lowers premiums, lowers the deficit, and increases options. That unicorn of a Bill has yet to present itself obviously so we can keep waiting for that to come if you want, but in the meantime We are stuck with Trump having options A or B. I think hell will freeze over first before Trump does the right thing here and simply works to improve Obamacare instead full repeal.
@dobro1229, I think Option D here is to return to the simple repeal with a promise to pass something later. And then, of course, they'll never agree on something later and we'll just be back in pre-Obamacare days until Democrats are back in power.
Vengeance. Trump seems to be the type. I agree with JV - simple repeal and pretend they will do something later. The sensible and practical option of fixing up Obamacare with small changes here and there to make it better require DEM vote. Not going to happen. The Single Payer option is politically not possible either, even though it's the best longer term choice.
How's that? Nobody, even those who are voting for it, wants this garbage dump of a bill that has 17% approval rating to pass, which is why it won't. It has broad-based opposition from both left and right, even within the GOP's tire fire of a party. There's nobody to mobilize to punish the transgressors. Trump should thank them that Trumpcare failed -the consequence, of Trumpcare actually going into law, would be way worse for him.
Interesting that the stock market is edging upwards as the passing of Trump/republican ACA replacement is in doubt... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKBN16V1G0?il=0
Not going to work - there's no such thing as even a theoretical "simple" repeal, at least w/o a supermajority in the Senate, it would have been done if so, but even if you do it, it's not really simple given the complexity of the ACA's regulatory regime and how it intertwines with existing structures.
Personally I think voting down this bill is the best thing that can happen. Let Obamacare fail on it's own so there is no one to blame but the Democrats who pushed it in the first place. Once it fails on it's own, put together a better bill than this and push it through.
That's still a much more risky version of trying to achieve Option C. here which is that unicorn Health Care Bill they all ran on, but couldn't produce in 7 years. I had heard earlier today that Paul Ryan actually proposed doing this early in the transition, and was shot down because they needed to pass something ASAP in order to backdate the tax breaks (for the wealthy) to cover tax year 2017. If we keep wondering what the rush is, its that first and foremost. The money... those funding the GOP & funded their campaigns want them to hold their end of the bargain obviously. However I think what you will hear though is the line of "we are going to take a step back and have a bill in due time" but the lines you will hear from Trump and the GOP in the future will be to continue to Blame Obama all the while taking steps to undermine the existing bill like they've done in the past in order to eventually get people on board with GOPCare. I think the GOP has shown time and time again (I know the Dems sure aren't perfect) that party goes before Country under almost any scenario. I think the Dems will kind of half - A#$ reach out to say "we will work with you to repair ACA" so they have political immunity in 18 & 20 to say "Don't blame us, we said we'd work with you, and you rejected it". Little do these jackass politicians know is that I actually think that Independants and Moderate Dems would actually come to their side & applaud EVEN TRUMP if they worked in a bi-partisan manner here to create a bi-partisan bill or ACA improvements with collaboration of the Dems. People forget that American families are partisan about nearly everything EXCEPT when it comes to their family's health care. Everyone would give up political points on their team if they were given potential life saving healthcare that they can afford. In the end all we have is our health, and the health of our family right? Only question is will the Partisans realize how important this is until they realize it actually does affect them and their family?
You just answered the question I was asking. Thanks. Thank you for showing everyone that you care about winning political points more than doing what is right for the country.
If Obamacare stays and fails, it'll be the Republicans fault because they control the government and didn't do anything about it, especially after campaigning on the fact that they would do something about it.
Give the people what they want. Right now they think they want the failing Obamacare, let them have it till it fails completely. It's not political really, I'm certainly not suggesting people accept the garbage plan that the Republicans are pushing right now. IMO it's better to let Obamacare fail than go with what they are pushing right now.
