[#bemorelikeeurope] EU Allows Employers To Ban Non-Sensical Religious Garb

Again, I directly said “the only way to help them would be reforming the pile of sh** that is Islam and grant women equal rights there.“ Not sure how you can make up the narrative that I see this law as a solution to the issue, really advise you to read all my posts again. Not even once made a statement on the law itself.

 

Why would women be uncomfortable following the law?

You want to say Islam is bad because of headscarves. It's hypocritical not to attack Judaism for the same, Catholicism for not allowing female priests, etc. etc.

 

You really fail at reading comprehension, I've said I'm against every religious symbol and act that oppresses women, no matter what religion. Even directly mentioned that I don't support the Jewish equivalent.

 

You can't comprehend that many people wouldn't want to go around topless because it would make them feel uncomfortable? Not sure whether you're serious or just grasping at straws.

 

Yes I can't comprehend that, except for some strange reason women feel that they do not have the same freedom to follow the laws as men do. That strange reason is internalized repression of women.

 

OK Dude, so be an equal opportunity hater of all "pile of ****" religions.

 

What oppresses the women is not a law that outlaws the oppressive behavior. It's the (male and female) followers of the cult who perpetuate the behavior. Outlawing it is the correct choice.

 

Funny how you continue to dance around the root of the problem (Islam) and only try to talk about some obscure free titty rights and feelings in the USA.
One would think that the religion&society that brutally represses women in severe ways would bother you a lot more, but apparently the abstract feelings of running around topless are your top priority.

 

So how will that help our end goal of integrating Muslim women in Western societies?

 

By creating a situation where the behavior of the men is rightfully made unlawful. This will create tension and friction that exposes the ridiculousness of the practice, rather than just accepting it "because we need to so that these women can take part in society". No, they can do that anyway, they just need to stand up to their men. Tolerating something that is ****ing stupid and backwards is not an option. Your argument is circular. You do agree that the practice is ****ed up, but you still don't want to outlaw it.

 

The f----ng right. They have their hands up women's uteri' , restrict access to birth control, make disgusting comments about women, treat them like crap and have their prominent figures plagued with sexual harassment (surprise surprise) and they have the gaul to complain about a woman wanting to wear a head scarf. I'm against burkas, but if you're going to crap on muslim women wearing hijabs, say something about nuns. They aren't even allowed to ****. A lot of people would interpret that as being more oppressive.

 

This level of micromanaging under "the law" is very problematic

Rocket River

 

Nuns have made a choice. In the case of Islam, the argument of the oppressors is that it is a rule that applies to every woman. Huge difference. Not surprised this flew right over your head, like everything else.

 

lol. ATW I don't even sigh anymore with the square pegs you bang on your head after you can't fit them in. First off, you are absolutely wrong with your premise. Every woman is not required to wear a hijab. Every woman does not wear a hijab. Your assumption that they are forced to is just as bad actually forcing them to, if you are forcing them into a sort of "nakedness" from their baseline by perceiving some sort of liberation you really are a brand of watermelon head r****d. Let me guess, you're a creepy rapist looking dude that regularly tries to liberate women's panties and bras? Amish women need liberating too dude. Wanna hope on their bikini wagon?

Seriously, you'd think that spouting this much stupid about Islam over the years would actually cause some factual information to seep in every now and then. Blatant misinformation like this is what ruins the D&D. Before you get a boner or feel the need to defend your insecurity with a "kid" or some lame asperger's insult...don't. Stick your head back into facebook stalking and stfu. Nobody wants to hear your brand of stupid. Its harsh, but the kid glove treatment is too lenient on you here.

 

It's incredible how many people here constantly fail at reading comprehension, you'd assume guys like me and ATW (being foreigners) would struggle, but you somehow manage to f*** up every post.

Look at his post again: "the argument of the oppressors is that it is a rule that applies to every woman.".
How you can twist those words to "Every woman is not required to wear a hijab. Every woman does not wear a hijab" is beyond me, he didn't say that at all and was only talking about a group of oppressors, not the whole religion itself. Neither did he say all Muslim women wear hijabs.

Why? Are you that naive to think a female would really choose to wear a hijab if she weren't pressured into it by society and her relatives? It is a symbol of oppression and the only reason they're wearing it is pressure and a life of brainwashing that led to a f***ed up legitimization in their heads.
Why would a person, without any kind of pressure or obligation, choose to wear a symbol that is forced on their gender and severely reduces their freedom of living?

Utterly r****ded and shameful statements that have nothing to do with the topic or ATW's argumentation, but guess after he debunked your idiotic comparison to nuns you didn't see any other way of defending yourself.

Again, blaming your terrible reading comprehension on him and spouting offensive nonsense.

 

That's some serious wishful thinking. Here's what actually is going to happen if you restrict wen who wear hijabs into the western workplace.

Less Muslim women work in Western work environments. That's what that will accomplish.

So how is that going to help Muslim women?

I thought with all these years of us going back and forth on this issue you would learn by now that the number one way to diminish Islam's influence is exposure. It's how I became an ex-muslim and pretty much every other ex-Muslim I know.

Let's be pragmatic here. Your logic is nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

I teach many Muslim women who wear head coverings, and they seem happier and cooler than you. I have no problem with Islam any more than I do with Christianity or Judaism. They all have their reasons for killing, and the U.S.A. does plenty of killing. Plus the U.S.A. contains many hateful people like you.

 

Your argument is to tolerate and continue abhorrent behavior because that is supposedly better for the victims. Nope.

 

Yes we need to tolerate women who wear hijabs in the western work place. Abso****inglutly.

Here's a little anecdote but this is very common amongst Muslim women living in the States. I have a second cousin who's father leans conservative in terms of attire for women. He has forced his daughter to wear a hijab since puberty. Trust me, it irks me and I wish that wasn't the case HOWEVER he did value her education and gave her the freedom to pursue med school. She's a pediatrician now. Because she was allowed to wear the hijab in her academic and work settings, the father gave her the freedom to pursue these avenues. Trust me, I hate the premise. But now I see her Facebook profile hanging out with her co-workers going to ****ing Zumba and yoga classes and having a great time with a MD salary. I see it as a net win for her because of the exposure. That exposure I garauntee has made her more secular. She would be far more religious if those avenues were shut off.

How many Muslim women are you going to isolate by not allowing them to go to work/school wearing a hijab? All that will accomplish is make a Western Muslim women's life more insular and draconian.

Be pragmatic. Banning the hijab at work places worsens the predicament.