[#bemorelikeeurope] EU Allows Employers To Ban Non-Sensical Religious Garb

This is nothing more than euphemistic discrimination

"We not discriminating against Islam . . .. . . . per se. . . . . . ."

But you will find that the selective enforcement will favor one group over another
that is the new way racism is. . . . .it is not in the rules. .. but in the selective enforcement of the rules

This is how in America . . . two kids have 10 ounces of drugs but one gets probation and the others gets years for "intent to sell"

Rocket River

 

I don't see the "distinct difference" you're talking about. What is it?

In what way are female breasts sexual organs? You mean they actually have a function and a reason to be exposed (nursing), while men's breasts have no function and no reason whatsoever to be exposed?

All you're saying is "Boobs are worse than hair!" Well, why?

 

You really don't see the difference between exposing breasts in public and a religion that systematically oppresses women, establishes laws plus conduct that seriously degrades and hurts them, even allowing them to be killed and explicitly stating that they're worth less than men?

By the way, I checked your claim and women are allowed to go topless in pretty much every state of the USA, so your claim isn't entirely true.

http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

 

DONT lock them up! DONT lock them up! DONT lock them up!

 

Can't this have the effect of disproportionately hurting Muslim women who refuse to uncover their heads, by limiting their job options?

 

So what, it's their own choice and not something they are born with or can't change.

 

Well, if the purpose is to help Muslim women be more free, and the effect makes it more difficult for them to find employment, there is a conflict there for practical purposes.

 

No there's not, how does allowing an oppressive symbol of Islam mean more freedom for Muslim women? It's the direct opposite of your intention, the only way to help them would be reforming the pile of sh** that is Islam and grant women equal rights there.

 

Religious nuts - women must do xyz
Law maker nuts - women must not do xyz

I'm thinking women: f u all... can I not decide for myself?

 

They don't decide for themselves, no female would conform to these obligations without religious pressure and a life of brainwashing.

No woman in her right mind would want to be a part of that religion, I don't even get how they can read Quran quotes on women and still support the religion that spits in their faces. But I've already explained it, brainwashing and pressure.

 

Faith and devotion can be a choice.

 

Remove any clothing that can present a security concern. Hijabs are not a big problem, nor is wearing a cross. Ban burqas and niqabs.

I'd also restrict any loose/baggy clothing or robes that can conceal things unless you're walking through a metal detector, except for a large coat when it's cold.

 

Talk about apples and oranges! "Exposing breasts" vs. "a religion"?

No, I don't see the difference between exposing hair and exposing breasts.

By the way, I went to the link you provided, and it said: "Even if a top free law is firmly in effect, the police can still arrest you under the pretense of 'disorderly conduct'." Think of it: if going topless is not even illegal, how oppressive must our society be that no women dare even to do what is legal! Your own posts show how you personally want to oppress women more than the laws of the states do, by your expectation that they not expose their breasts.

 

Funny how you conveniently leave out the "Don't be intimidated! You can sue the city back for wrongful arrest (if your only crime was to go topless)" part? Police were also briefed to not arrest women that go topless.

Not apples and oranges, the headscarfs are directly tied to the religion and based on oppression of females. Not that difficult to understand the connection.

You apparently fail at reading comprehension, I've explicitly said I'm not opposed to them going topless.

 

Yeah, right: we see women going topless all the time, coz it's legal and there's no gender repression whatsoever!

It's not a religious issue in the sense that it's a Muslim thing: Jews do the same. . . .

OK: I see that you do support women going topless. It just never happens, for some strange reason. Gender repression is so internalized here, women don't even engage in legal activity.

 

Really think isn't better explained by women just not wanting to go topless because of being uncomfortable? Heavily flawed argument to blame the lack of topless women on repression.

Don't understand your point here, could you further explain?

 

Yung-T, you are being naive to assume that these women have 100% choice and don't succumb to family/friend pressure. I know many Muslim households that make their female children wear headscarfs but still allow them to pure their academic/future career interests. All you are doing by banning headscarfs from workplaces is forcing these women who are in a tough predicament to not be employed.

I don't agree with the head scarf, my mom still wears it out of her own will due to her faith. I don't see how that should disqualify her from work.

All you are doing here is shouting normative statements. Yes, the headscarf is draconian and yes it ought to one day be vanished. But isolating these women even more when they already are isolated to an extent is just stupid. You want these type of women ought and about in public rather than cooped up in their abusive husband/family house.

Yes, let's hope one day Yung-T that these type of practices eventually disappear but let's not isolate these women even more and worsen the issue. All you are doing by not allowing women with hijabs in the workplace is forcing these women to be isolated from society. So tell me how that helps the current predicament? If your justification for this 'ban' is to protect and 'free' Muslim women, I'm sorry but you are doing the EXACT opposite... That's if you actually care about these women rather than stem your argument based on hate. Let's see where your motives truly are.

 

Explicitly said it's a result of pressure and their religion. And second, at one point in life you are indeed free and can make your own choices, even if it means the huge step of severing ties with your family. Doesn't have to be related to religion, many people have to do it unfortunately.

Not sure what part of my statements made you think that is my justification at all. Never said the ban would free women or protect them.

Ah yes, people that criticize Islam must surely be driven by hate and nothing else.
Read my posts again, even said I don't care what kind of religion it is and that I'm against every symbol that oppresses women.

 

You are against symbols of oppression against women yet support actions that would oppress women. You just don't know how a oppressive consertive religous family operates.

I'm the last person you should berate about "criticizing Islam". My points are purely from a pragmatic sense while yours seems to stem from emotion without any thought. Banning the hijab in the workplace will only make less Muslim women involved in the western work place. So tell me how the **** that is a good thing in a purly pragmatic sense? You explicitly stated that you don't like women being oppressed. So why support an action that will just oppress women more?