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[Obama] SpaceX successfully launches to ISS

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 22, 2012.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    How it's this different than Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, et al?

    Space X won competitions against those companies to be awarded government funding and contracts. They also meet certain targets and deliverables to continue further government funding. It's not a wink wink deal because Czar Obama declared it so, or because a Senator wants a ridiculously expensive plane parts plant in his home state

    Why so ignorant?
     
  2. tallanvor

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    subsidies? its not. tax breaks? Otherwise known as not taking someones earned money? and tax breaks are evenly distributed (or should be). Thus a fair market.

    We are not buying a product. We get nothing in return for the funding we give SpaceX. We the people own nothing. This is not a purchase. It is a loan and the only reason we do it is because private companies/investors wont do it themselves (they dont see value). If they did, then the federal government would have no reason to give SpaceX tax payer money.
     
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  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Stop with that taking someone's earned money. You and them are more than welcome to find that paradise where taxes don't exist. My dad shares your view and coincidentally he is very cheap.

    Tax breaks aren't distrubuted evenly and can vary from city to city or county to county or state to state. So you are wrong again.



    Sure we are. We are getting technology to be used to deliever supplies and people into space more effectively to be used by NASA, other governmental space agencies, or private companies.

    If we don't invest public money then we will almost certainly get left behind by china in space. Public money is used to gain or keep competitive advantages.
     
  4. Yung-T

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    Amazing how you continue to talk nonsense which can be debunked by even half a minute of research. There are several private companies and investors in the field.

    Seriously, do some research or leave this thread. Incredibly annoying to see how you continue to make up stuff just to make your non-factual narrative look legit.
     
  5. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Good god, you are an ignorant man. Please explain how we are going to prevent an on-coming large asteroid or comet from hitting the earth without a robust presence in space. Your fantasy requires either launching something from Earth's gravity well to prevent it from hitting us, or by sending something from low Earth orbit, with the means to do things in space that we are currently are unable to do. Go ahead. Explain to everyone just how "we" are going to prevent that large asteroid or comet from hitting our planet. Today. Next week. Next month. Next year. Two years from now. Five years from now. Please. I'm waiting with excitement to hear about your "plan."

    Thanks in advance.
     
  6. Yung-T

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    Let me tell you, we've got some really bad asteroid hombres and we're gonna build a huge wall to protect us from them. Trust me, it will be huuuge and only the best guys will work on it, really great guys, only the best.
     
  7. Deckard

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    And Mr. Trump will captain this fantasy in outer space, with tallanvor as 1st officer. Yeah, that'll work! Maybe Trump can get the Klingons to help. :eek:
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    With the Space Shuttle decommissioned, NASA is using private contractors like SpaceX and if need be, the Russians to resupply the space station.

    It's not a pure loan either as those contractors are winning and losing bids for services contracts, which is something all companies ideally participate when working with the government.

    Haven't heard what you think about defense contractors with their massive government budgets that are 10-50 times the scale of private space industry.
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    Study Finds SpaceX Investment Saved NASA Hundreds of Millions

    The private spaceflight company saved NASA the trouble of building their own cargo spacecraft.


    When a SpaceX Dragon spacecraft connected with the International Space Station on May 25, 2012, it made history as the first privately-built spacecraft to reach the ISS. The Dragon was the result of a decision 6 years prior—in 2006, NASA made an "unprecedented" investment in SpaceX technology. A new financial analysis shows that the investment has paid off, and the government found one of the true bargains of the 21st century when it invested in SpaceX.

    A new research paper by Edgar Zapata, who works at Kennedy Space Center, looks closely at the finances of SpaceX and NASA. "There were indications that commercial space transportation would be a viable option from as far back as the 1980s," Zapata writes. "When the first components of the ISS were sent into orbit 1998, NASA was focused on "ambitious, large single stage-to-orbit launchers with large price tags to match."

    Then in 2003 the Space Shuttle Columbia, a pricey orbiter that had made several trips to space, exploded upon reentry, killing the seven astronauts aboard. The Space Shuttle program was suspended and the expanded construction of the ISS was halted. The next year, President George W. Bush delivered his administration's "Vision for US Space Exploration," which called for NASA to "acquire cargo transportation as soon as practical and affordable to support missions to and from the International Space Station." This led to the creation of the NASA Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS), which led to the investment in SpaceX.

    Zapata estimates that SpaceX launches cost NASA around $89,000 per kilogram of cargo delivered to the space station. There's no telling what precisely would have come from a cargo spacecraft developed by NASA, but Zapata estimates that it would be $272,000 per kg.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a28995/study-finds-spacex-a-bargain-for-nasa/
     
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    Lol written in 2017. SBF was an angel back then too. Now they are both the biggest grifters on the planet.

    -Every liberal on this board
     
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    I missed the Elon-as-liberal era. Did we win?
     
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  13. Buck Turgidson

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    Elon /= SpaceX

    Elon /= Tesla

    Elon = Twitter now

    It's not hard to comprehend how liking/supporting some of his ventures in the past (esp SpaceX which filled a much needed niche) and not supporting his current ventures/personality cult is a reasonable position to take.
     
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  14. tinman

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    Elon wins cause he’s smart and everyone now can’t tell what a woman is or do dumb stuff in foreign countries
     

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