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Obamacare Replacement

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wizkid83, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Trump's lies just keep adding up. He promised the new plan would expand coverage for addiction treatment and mental health. This plan cuts that. This is a major lie on what Trump promised.
     
  2. Invisible Fan

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    That wasn't in the PowerPoint
     
  3. JeffB

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    Just another tax cut for the mega wealthy... Trump/GOP voters are gonna realize when it is too late that they got played.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...re_replacement_a_tax_cut_for_the_wealthy.html

    FOX News: House Speaker Paul Ryan tries to counter perception that chaos has surrounded the GOP plan to replace ObamaCare, tells FOX News Republicans are going through 'typical growing pains' of being the governing party and more in an interview with Tucker Carlson.

    Carlson said the Obamacare replacement plan along with tax and economic policy that historically has benefited the wealthy creates a concern that we're going to repeal Obamacare, but we're also going to send more money to the richest.

    "You have the overview here is that all the wealth basically in the last ten years is stuck to the top," Carlson told Paul Ryan. "That's one of the reasons we've had all this political turmoil as you know. It's so, kind of a hard sell to say yeah, we're going to repeal Obamacare but were going to send more money to people who have already gotten the richest over the last ten years, that's what this does, no? I'm not leftist, that's just true."

    TUCKER CARLSON: Let's get to the tax policy. So as I understand it, and I'm just reading this so I may have it wrong for there's an investment tax in here, the net investment income tax. And as far as I know it only kicks in on couples making more than a quarter million dollars per year. So it's a tax on wealthy investors. And you're eliminating it in a health care bill. My question is looking at the last election was the message of that election really we need to help investors? I mean, the Dow is over 20,000, are they really the group that needs the help?

    REP. PAUL RYAN, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: This was a tax on capital income which is bad for economic growth, it's like capital gains tax, effectively, to finance Obamacare. We're not going to do Obamacare, so we're not going to keep Obamacare taxes in place.

    So all of these taxes -- the he trillion dollar tax cut that this bill represents, that's part of that trillion dollar tax increase that was in Obamacare that financed Obamacare. We promised we would repeal the Obamacare taxes, this is one of the Obamacare taxes. So we're keeping our promises. And by the way it's bad tax policy because it's bad for economic growth and were also repealing Obamacare spending. So, were getting rating of its tax and we're getting rid of its spending and this is us keeping out word. You may want to keep at 3.8% tax, we're not going to keep it because it was part of Obamacare.

    CARLSON: Well, but lots are things are part of Obamacare that you just said a minute ago that you're not doing anything about because he can't under reconciliation.

    PAUL RYAN: Only because of reconciliation.

    CARLSON: That's right, you just said you don't have to meet every promise in this first round... but also, you have the overview here is that all the wealth basically in the last ten years is stuck to the top. That's one of the reasons we've had all this political turmoil as you know. It's so, kind of a hard sell to say yeah, we're going to repeal Obamacare but were going to send more money to people who have already gotten the richest over the last ten years, that's what this does, no? I'm not leftist, that's just true.

    PAUL RYAN: I'm not that concerned about it because we said we were going to repeal all of the Obamacare taxes and this was one of the Obamacare taxes. The other point I have to say is this dramatically helps us for tax reform. I know this gets a little wonky, but by getting rid of the Obamacare taxes, the next bill up coming up this spring and summer is tax reform.

    That means the new tax code that we are proposing, we put this in our Better Way plan too, it's part of our blueprint, go online and read that as well. That will not have to overcome those Obamacare taxes. Meaning, when we have a new and replaced tax code, we've got to replace this tax code, it won't have to also replace the Obamacare taxes. So getting rid of all of these taxes, we're lowering the revenue that is taken out of the American economy, out of families, out of businesses for government, and we think that is really important.
     
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  4. NewRoxFan

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    The CBO analysis of Trump/republican ACA replacement plan must be even worst than expected, given the republican efforts to dismiss the CBO:

    Republicans Dismiss Upcoming Budget Analysis of Health Plan

    https://www.usnews.com/news/busines...f-no-one-worse-off-financially-under-gop-plan

    And non-partisan analyses show that the very wealthy (along with insurance companies) will be the big beneficiaries:


    Here's how much millionaires would save under GOP Obamacare repeal bill
    Tax Policy Center found that repealing the taxes would mean that nearly everyone in the Top 1%, who earn more than $774,000 a year, would enjoy a hefty tax cut, averaging $33,000. Tax filers in the Top 0.1% would get an average tax cut of about $197,000.
    At the same time, lower-income Americans who are insured through Medicaid or subsidized policies bought on the Obamacare exchanges are expected to suffer under the Republican legislation.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/11/news/economy/obamacare-repeal-wealthy/index.html
     
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    ... and here's the Trump White House promise: "Nobody will be worse off financially" under the Trump/republican ACA replacement plan.

    White House Pledges No One `Worse Off' in Obamacare Replacement
    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ges-no-one-worse-off-in-obamacare-replacement
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    I believe this is what happens when a rabid dog finally catches that red sports car. They have no ****ing clue what to do.
     
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    This is why I got my popcorn ready.... Trump vs Congress on healthcare.
     
  8. JeffB

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    I'm not sure they will have much more than a few minor skirmishes between them.

    I suspect Trump goes along with it for the most part. He will lie to his supporters and they will believe him.

    Trump is too impeachable and has too many conflicts of interest, too many Russian puppet strings, and too many investigations into his people going on to truly go head up with Congress.

    The deal is the GOP get their legislative wet dream and Trump gets his self-enrichment wet dream... they leave each other alone.

    But I hope I am wrong and that the damage this bill does to Trump's brand will be enough to cause the two sides to go at it.
     
  9. mtbrays

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    And the CBO report estimates that, within 10 years, more people will be totally without health insurance than before the implementation of Obamacare. According to Reuters:

     
  10. geeimsobored

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    Well the CBO score is out. The projection is that 24 million people lose coverage over the next decade. Enjoy several years worth of ads calling out Republicans who voted to cut taxes for the wealthy while the poor lost health coverage.
     
  11. CometsWin

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    *surprise* Trumpanzees. You got played.
     
  12. Commodore

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    CBO estimates are garbage

     
  13. SamFisher

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    Worse off than before the ACA?

    Trumpcare delivers!

    As usual, if you are looking to be disappointed, Trump and the GOPsters exceed expectations.
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    The first phase... of Trumponomics...
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    Obama promised that if I like my doctor, I can keep my doctor!

    Total lie. Libs got played!
     
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    I seriously don't understand why the White House is so adamant to die on this hill. This is the prime opportunity to dump it all on Ryan while still not necessarily accepting the CBO estimates.

    No midterm GOP candidate will support this trash.
     
  17. geeimsobored

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    The head of the CBO today is a hand picked Republican selected by Paul Ryan. It's being estimated by a free market evangelist. There's no way you can claim that enrollment will improve under this. Medicaid Expansion is thrown away and subsidies are being scaled way back while price controls are being loosened.

    You can beat up on the CBO for overestimating exchange enrollment but they also underestimated Medicaid expansion enrollment and that portion of the pool is utterly destroyed by the Republican bill.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm not concerned at all with the raw number of people covered, I'm more concerned about if it would be sustainable and if it would actually be affordable. Covering literally every American with insurance they couldn't afford to use isn't better than covering 75% of Americans with insurance they can afford to use and with a system that isn't destined to collapse.

    That said, I don't think the Republican plan does that considerably better than the awful Obamacare that it would be replacing.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    Obamacare delivered on all promised. AMIRITE?

    Dems are clueless. No wonder they never win elections.
     
  20. Commodore

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    My measuring stick isn't how many people are on the federal dole

    My concern is what premium/deductible am I paying and for what quality of care
     

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