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James Harden is gonna get screwed over again in MVP Voting

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HardenTime, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. Wylo

    Wylo Member

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    The problem is I see things differently than you do when it comes to non-stat elements, like how much space Harden has been creating as of late as opposed to early in the season. So how to decide who's right without referring to some objective measure? You tell me.
     
  2. YOLO

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    then you simply agree to disagree
     
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  3. Wylo

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    Ok, then you should probably have said 'I disagree' rather than implying I was wrong.
     
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  4. Nick_713

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    I said the exact same thing 2 years ago, that Harden did what he did (productivity-wise) "in spite of" not "because of" McHale. When McHale fired those perceived shots at Harden 2 weeks ago, my reaction was why say all that when the main reason he stuck around as long as he did was because Harden bailed him out repeatedly.
     
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  5. valorita

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    Lol, did i mention two rebounds in my post? Or any other post for that matter? Who is the one that is distracted by the two rebounds now?

    Westbrook's claim to MVP is that he is the singular most physical force that the league has seen since young lebron/prime shaq. What makes Russ unique is that he has no downgear and is intensity personified all the time. This is quantified into his statistical excellence.

    Harden's case is that the MVP has historically been given to the player who not only has the stats but also does so in a meaningful way that elevates his teammates' play and ultimately translates to team success.

    The difference being Russ does not know what it means to sacrifice his style to elevate the team. This has always been the biggest flaw with him as he had the luxury of having one of the best players but was not willing to adjust his game.
     
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    I'm not the only one reading this, right? I'm not the only one reading the absurdity in this post, right?

    unlike.
     
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  7. cbs1507

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    There was a similar situation in 2015. We had a national televised game against Thunder on ABC on a Sunday afternoon. Except that time the storyline was battle for scoring champ. It was around the the time KD was injured rest of the season and Westbrook was putting up stats on a losing team to eventually edge Harden by a little for the title. Very entertaining game and Harden went off...making an MVP statement (cuz he was also in contention that year)
     
  8. split41

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    What you just said is absolute drivel, no offense.

    Just empty buzzwords.

    Don't you also think it's quantified by his historic usage% or the fact that the bigs are boxing out for him. You know that harden has been more efficient and better in most advanced stats including TS%, right?

    By your logic if someone runs up and down the court constantly and throws up bricks, but takes every shot on their team to get a decent statline (not including FG%) they should make All-NBA.

    That doesn't sound like an MVP to me...that sounds like a ballhog glory chaser.

    You know why Bill Russell won MVP the season the Big O Averaged a trip-dub and Wilt averaged 50-20(Absolutely mind-boggling stats), it was because Russell sacrificed and tailored his game to make his team the best they could be. The voters then had more common sense and gave him the MVP over empty stats...that being said Wilt's stats that year are insane!
     
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    You are going out of you're way to diminish hardens greatness. Go back to lin fan site you lin only fan parasite
     
  10. Wylo

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    I will once you go back to Harden fan site you Harden only fan parasite. Why is it a problem when I point out the greatness of other players on this team, and they don't necessarily need Harden to be great? In fact, that is what a true fan of the WHOLE TEAM would do, instead of cheering for just one player.
     
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  11. Wylo

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    Another monster night for Westbrook with a L. OKC now has Taj Gibson and McDermott on their roster and are still underperforming as a team. Harden may be sliding, but I don't think Westbrook deserves it either.
     
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  12. the shark

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    I remember a time when they gave David Robinson the MVP, and they handed the trophy to him right in front of the Dream. We all know how that played out.

    Who knows if Harden will win it or not, but if he doesn't, I sure would like to see him be on a mission (as the Dream was) in the playoffs to show who TRULY was the MVP this yr!!!

    To say F U to the idiots who didn't vote for him.
     
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    I just got done watching BSPN and it's so freaking obvious how much they are pushing RW for MVP. They were showing "highlights" of the OKC Phoenix game and it was all RW highlights. The way they chose to show the segment, you would think OKC was winning big or had a miraculous come back. Nope, they were down by double digits almost the whole game. RW had a great game but the game was never even close. Harden is gonna get screwed brah's.
     
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    Harden is due to have some big games. It will be ok Mr.
     
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    Not a shocker that a team under performs when their PG is taking 24 shots a night, missing almost 60% of them, and focuses more on rebounding than playing defense.
     
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    Those are solid role players, but they don't even balance out Oladipo who's injured.

    I'm sort of a Pacers fan and now that I think of it, i'm not even sure that I would want any OKC player to start on the Pacers, except Westbrook and Oladipo. Not like the Pacers are a good team. Just OKC roster is pretty crappy, it's overloaded with mediocre big men. They should trade a couple of their bigs for 3D. Personally I think they are overachieving.
     
  17. ipaman

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    If Rockets fans don't think Harden deserves the MVP then how the fack do we expect the rest of the country too? I'm sorry, but it's time to have Harden's back. Fack Russ and his triple doubles, we're talking +1 assist and -2 rebound difference here. Also Oscar Robertson didn't win MVP so fack the triple double bullshit as a reason for MVP. It's about individual and team success.
     
  18. Wylo

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    I disagree. I think with the addition of Taj and McDermott, OKC's roster has become quite solid. But I didn't know Oladipo was injured tho. Still no excuse for losing to one of the worst teams in the league.
     
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  19. DonatasFanboy

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    he won it once
     
  20. ipaman

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    Not during his triple double season tho
     

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