You don't think he was being polite? Or don't think he was defending his right not to be asked about his citizenship when traveling within our borders?
It was neither. He wasn't being polite and he wasn't really defending any right, he was just being a douchebag simply to be a douchebag.
LOL, whatever you say guy. If you don't understand that he was just being a little b*stard and not really "standing up for his rights" then I can't help you. All I can say is that you need to go out and get a role model or something because it's clear you think highly of fairly pathetic people being pathetic.
Yawn. Just turning an ad hom on me is also a weak argument. Stopping someone for their ID is legally considered a search. If you think police should have an unhindered ability to search citizens with no basis to do so, you need to read a little bit about what rights we do and don't have, and why they are important.
Wasn't clear... was he stopped two or three times on the same drive? Seemed he avoided having to pull over after each initial interaction.
It's not an ad hominem, I addressed your assertions separately to suggesting that you need to find a role model. An ad hominem would be a personal attack instead of addressing your points As to stopping people for ID, I have no problem with checkpoints on known human trafficking routes or known drug smuggling routes and have been stopped for exactly that reason multiple times in the past.....hell when I was in the Army we got the van stopped by border patrol while on a duty run to Fort Bliss from Fort Huachuca. No one felt like their rights were being trampled on and it only took a few minutes out of our day. The fact that in some situations you have the right to be a total and complete douchebag doesn't mean that you OUGHT to be a total and complete douchebag. I think that's the point you might be missing here. Assuming I had no legal requirement to render aid to someone dying, would that make it "standing up for your rights" to sit there and watch them die instead of helping them? Of course not.
If I understand correctly ,Alex Jones (Infowars) is the one perpetuating this type of behavior and I don't see how you can call this liberal at all. If anything this is libertarian.
I think every group has members that they are embarrassed about who make the whole group look bad, it would be hypocritical if I made excuses for the people who make Libertarians look bad simply because I am one myself given that I call people out for doing just that type of thing all the time.
This guy famous pulling these kind stunts. He calls himself a liberty activist. Douche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Seim
Well yeah, it's confirmed then, he considers himself a Libertarian although he's for sure an extremist to the point of damn near being an Anarchist in reality.
So was he within his rights to refuse answering the question and go on his way without being detained? Sure he sounds like an obnoxious jerk, but was he right that he didn't need to comply?
Yes he was within his rights to refuse answering......but that easily could have lead to him being detained as a result (which is what he wanted and is why he spent all day looking for ICE traffic stops), they just chose to not go through all of that nonsense with this petulant little kid who wanted to play games with them. If they had suspicion that he was illegally in the country then it would have gone very differently. What it came down to is that they didn't want to waste their time with him. Let's face it, no one should want to waste their time with people like him who are just looking to cause trouble.
Excuse my ignorance on the law. So ICE is allowed to detain him, against his will, for refusing to answer their question if they consider him to be suspicious? As a libertarian, are you at all worried that there is potential for abuse, especially with respect to Latino Americans?
They could detain him if they had reason to believe that he was not a US citizen. Of course, if they did, the detention would likely only last until he either produced his drivers license or told them his name and address. The whole ordeal would have been over in seconds if he wasn't looking to be a dick. Personally I'm not a big fan of random traffic stops in general be it INS or those DUI checkpoints but I understand the reason for them and they are only a big deal to those who are doing something wrong so I can accept them for what they are. When it comes to abuse.....what kind of abuse? If the person was a US citizen all they'd have to do is show ID or give their name and address, which right about 99% of people would instantly do and the whole thing would be over. It's not like they are out arresting random people. I know it's a break with most Libertarians on the issue, but I don't think that it's asking too much for someone to prove that they have the rights they wish to exercise. I'm all for protecting civil rights, but I just don't see how showing ID or some other method of verifying citizenship infringes on civil liberties in any way.
Alright. I think I'm in agreement with you. If there's another libertarian on this board who'd like to chime in with a different opinion, I'd be interested to hear their argument.
