Trump envisions immigration bill granting legal status for immigrants (not citizenship)

As a non American I dont really understand why you guys think that having a residency over citizenship is a class system of sort?
Maybe I don't fully understand the situation, and the rights and obligations differences.
So my view if someone can settle his illegal situation by getting a proper work permit without the benefits of election/social care (which I'm guessing is the bigger issues here), it's a huge step forward.
People don't come to America for the social care/public health.
They are coming for opportunities to earn decent money and living in a modern society and good education for their children.
If they can't support themselves and their families then it shouldn't be the burden of their new country.
So if the problem was that everything got delayed so far because of the complexity of how to include all those people in the health care and social care system, you have a quicker solution that will make their lives easier.
Having a proper residency and work permit will allow them to take better care of themselves and their families without being a burden on the society.

 

I would.
I've been living in numerous countries over the years. Never expected anything from the country other than maintaining decent infrastructure, education and security.
I think we rely too much on our governments to support us these days.
Having opportunities is the American dream, believe me that those illegal immigrants don't want and don't need more than that.
You have to find a way to legalize the people that are currently working under the books without labour rights. And at the same time make it a better and easier option to get a working permits while enforcing and preventing illegal influx of immigrants.

 

We have it already, the lefties are just freaking out as usual. Ask the Puerto Ricans, Guamanians, and other legal Americans from overseas territories. How many protests have we seen from the idiotic left for those legal folks?

 

Yes. My life has had no discernible difference as a green card holder vs. a citizen besides which passport I use. I suppose I do feel a bit safer using a U.S. passport at customs but that's just paranoia.

 

Is this part of his "deport them and then let them back in" strategy?

 

if the deport is massive and does get executed... yes, once they realize the impact to busn and jobs for Americans

 

there are folks that actually want to not have the responsibility of a us citizen and prefer to stay as a permanent legal resident - think vietnam war era with the draft

 

I'm not Republican or Conservative specifically but I also think it's a good idea. I've had my SS stolen twice to gain employment and that **** is awful to deal with. To this day I'm still fighting with IRS on unreported income.

As I've already stated, Puerto Ricans, and other legal American citizens from other overseas territories, don't have the exact same voting rights as Americans from the 50 States. So there is already "groups" of legal Americans.

 

I don't know what "compromise" means in this situation. Seems like there are so many different positions people take that the binary conditions for a compromise doesn't exist. If this is a compromise, it's between 2 random points.

But, on the proposition of giving illegal aliens a path to permanent residency without citizenship, I'm fine with that. I think you could make a path from permanent residency to citizenship but it's not a deal-breaker that it's not there. The children and grandchildren of those normalized illegals will all be citizens, so assuming we shut off the spigot to illegal immigration that whole population will quickly get naturalized as their families swell with citizens and the original non-citizen patriarchs pass away. Being a permanent resident isn't so bad. My mother is a permanent resident; she could have become a citizen a long time ago, but doesn't want to. It makes estate planning a little harder and obviously you can't vote, but mostly it isn't much of a handicap.

 

Until we see the fine print, it is difficult to decide if this is fair. Does legal status mean "working visa" or "permanent residence"? Generally, out of every dollar you pay in Social Security taxes, 70 cents goes to a trust fund that pays monthly benefits to retirees and their families and to widows, widowers and children of workers who have died.

From what I understand (please correct me if wrong), only permanent residents and US citizens can collect retirement benefits. If it is just a working visa, we are asking them to donate money into funds that they can't collect.

 

Permanent residents (green card holders) can vote (in non-federal elections) and receive benefits, so they're very different from this proposed status.

 

Yeah, higher wages and more automation. Who needs that?

 

I don't agree about the caste analogy. Even though they never become citizens, their kids who are born here are. There are many people who stay green card holders forever. There is nothing wrong with it. At least this way, if they commit a felony, they can be deported.

The thing I strongly believe in is that if someone joins the military, they should be able to become a citizen. If you are willing to die for this country, that is the least we can do for them.

 

If you had comprehension, you would understand that we are talking about illegal immigrants. Also, as supply of labor goes up, wages goes down; as supply of labor goes down, wages goes up. That, not what you stated, is how macroeconomics works.

 

LOL "Build that wall! For $22,000,000,000!" The "righties" have been freaking out to the tune of $22,000,000,000. "Lefties" aren't crying for big government spending on this.

 

This would be a very good political move for the Republicans. Thus, this has zero chance of getting out of the House.

 

Good thing we don't have to guess. See reality in Alabama when supply of labor goes down.