Obama Proves He's a Closet Muslim -- Screws Israel with Abstention

Palestine deserves no land.

 

Its called religion bud.

Also, the more universally acceptable reasoning, is Isreal is the only real democracy over there in the Middle East. I don't think anyone, despite your religious affiliation, should advocate for its demise. In fact we should be doing what we can to help facilitate a settlement agreement like we have over the years.

If you aren't a religious person I still think it should be important to you. The more stability in the region + the more democracy, the less we have of immigration based on war & terrorism which has led to the far right stances across the world including here in the US. Isreal peace is important, but Iraq democracy might be more important over time as it isn't just overseeing religious holy land, its a strategic foothold in the middle east. Theres a reason why the US always invades there first... well that and securing the oil fields.

 

This assertion is just too ridiculous not to call out. It was the world's need for oil that built the modern Middle East, not Israel. Dubai was not built by the Israelis, it was built by the vast reserves of one of the world's most crucial commodities underneath its sands.

 

This establishes Jordan's intentions: they never intended to create, spawn, or recognize an independent Palestinian state.

Not only did Europeans draw up the borders, but they introduced the technology necessary for people to rise up out of centuries old poverty and backwardness. Meanwhile, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt continue to be repressive autocratic states - NONE ARE A DEMOCRACY. That's right, all three states which invaded Israel, do not people in representation of their people.

There were already Jews in the West Bank, Israelis have recently begun moving into those areas, increasing the Jewish population.

Besides the West Bank, Gaza is completely ignored by its other neighbor, Egypt. I doubt whether the Golan Heights wants to join Syria right now. And the remainder of the proposed Palestinian territory seems to not even be in contention.

 

It's not: it's the truth. Yes, oil is part of it, and the "world" you are referring to is Europe and the US - not much else.

 

Pray tell, what did Israel do that has led to the creation of modern Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Manama, etc.?

When you say "Europe and the US - not much else," you're downplaying the scale of the West's post-WWII appetite for oil.

I'm not a giant fan of modern Middle East states but, having visited the UAE and Oman, I have a hard time seeing Israeli influence over the very obvious influence of a boatload of international oil money.

 

That's right: mud huts. Do you think people in Dubai have the wealth they do because of endemic economic and technological growth? My guess is there is some influence from the US and Europe.

 

uhm... You have a lot of misconceptions regarding the middle east.

 

Enlighten me.

 

For a start this isn't a mud hut and was around long before 1948.

 

You still haven't answered the question. How did Israel, not the US and Europe, build "the modern Middle East" in places like the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait? You've said Israel built them, all I want to know is how.

I do not disagree with what the far-away places in Middle East were before the production of oil. Just like other far-flung places in Europe, Asia, Africa, etc., live moved as it had for centuries. But you cannot look at the ancient cities in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, etc. and say it was "just mud huts and mosquitos."

 

Even if true, that doesn't mean Israel has a "right of conquest" over that territory. It seems you think that's perfectly legitimate, but international law in modern times (post world wars) says differently.

However, even if we grant right of conquest to Israel, there's still the problem of what to do with the millions of non-Jewish people living there and who have been living there for generations. Are they granted full citizenship? Or are they given less rights or forcibly removed? If Israel is truly democratic, it has to be full citizenship. But we know that will never happen, because it creates the demographic problem of too many non-Jews.

I don't dispute that. Pointing out that Israel is taking a wrong action is not a defense of the Arab states' treatment of Palestinians.

And therefore West Bank is part of Israel? Your initial claim remains unsupported. Israel has no lawful claim over the territory. It is, at best, a disputed territory, and as such their settlement program is illegal. I don't say that due to any anti-Israel bias. That's simply the law.

 

Well, I guess they are going to need better structures to house all those people. It's amazing how fast some of these countries have grown, and undoubtedly how fast their standard of living has grown.

 

Also there are large portions of the population that are nomadic as a way of life and choice. So their housing won't be such a huge problem.

 

Still curious about your answer @Cohete Rojo !

 

To what? Please, clarify.

 

How did Israel, not the US and Europe, build "the modern Middle East" in places like the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait? You've said Israel built them, all I want to know is how!

 

This thread has been proven 100% correct.

 

There should be a minimum requirements to those who claims to be religiously affiliated to any religion/sector, a healthy brain should among those consideration

Genesis 17:20 ►
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And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation..."

Ishmael is the Arab, Iyseq for the Jew ,Abraham for both,religion /justice to all mankind, a promised land is not supplementary to entitlement/oppressions

 

By being the only sane allies of the West who could ever provide the cooperation needed to secure trade in the Middle East.