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Edit: Draft DHS memo weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    Obviously I completely disagree with this proposal. Will the people in the affect states also disagree? Is this a deflection from Flynn/Russia? Details below.

    http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/...ghs-mobilizing-nat-guard-immigration-roundups

    Trump weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups
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    The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

    The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana.

    Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

    Governors in the 11 states would have a choice whether to have their guard troops participate, according to the memo, written by U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general.

    While National Guard personnel have been used to assist with immigration-related missions on the U.S.-Mexico border before, they have never been used as broadly or as far north.

    The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders.

    Also dated Jan. 25, the draft memo says participating troops would be authorized "to perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension and detention of aliens in the United States." It describes how the troops would be activated under a revived state-federal partnership program, and states that personnel would be authorized to conduct searches and identify and arrest any unauthorized immigrants.

    Requests to the White House and the Department of Homeland Security for comment and a status report on the proposal were not answered.

    The draft document has circulated among DHS staff over the last two weeks. As recently as Friday, staffers in several different offices reported discussions were underway.

    If implemented, the impact could be significant. Nearly one-half of the 11.1 million people residing in the U.S. without authorization live in the 11 states, according to Pew Research Center estimates based on 2014 Census data.

    Use of National Guard troops would greatly increase the number of immigrants targeted in one of Trump's executive orders last month, which expanded the definition of who could be considered a criminal and therefore a potential target for deportation. That order also allows immigration agents to prioritize removing anyone who has "committed acts that constitute a chargeable criminal offense."

    Under current rules, even if the proposal is implemented, there would not be immediate mass deportations. Those with existing deportation orders could be sent back to their countries of origin without additional court proceedings. But deportation orders generally would be needed for most other unauthorized immigrants.

    The troops would not be nationalized, remaining under state control.

    Spokespeople for the governors of Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oregon and New Mexico said they were unaware of the proposal, and either declined to comment or said it was premature to discuss whether they would participate. The other three states did not immediately respond to the AP.

    The proposal would extend the federal-local partnership program that President Barack Obama's administration began scaling back in 2012 to address complaints that it promoted racial profiling.

    The 287(g) program, which Trump included in his immigration executive order, gives local police, sheriff's deputies and state troopers the authority to assist in the detection of immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally as a regular part of their law enforcement duties on the streets and in jails.

    The draft memo also mentions other items included in Trump's executive order, including the hiring of an additional 5,000 border agents, which needs financing from Congress, and his campaign promise to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

    The signed order contained no mention of the possible use of state National Guard troops.

    According to the draft memo, the militarization effort would be proactive, specifically empowering Guard troops to solely carry out immigration enforcement, not as an add-on the way local law enforcement is used in the program.

    Allowing Guard troops to operate inside non-border states also would go far beyond past deployments.

    In addition to responding to natural or man-made disasters or for military protection of the population or critical infrastructure, state Guard forces have been used to assist with immigration-related tasks on the U.S.-Mexico border, including the construction of fences.

    In the mid-2000s, President George W. Bush twice deployed Guard troops on the border to focus on non-law enforcement duties to help augment the Border Patrol as it bolstered its ranks. And in 2010, then-Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer announced a border security plan that included Guard reconnaissance, aerial patrolling and military exercises.

    In July 2014, then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry ordered 1,000 National Guard troops to the border when the surge of migrant children fleeing violence in Central America overwhelmed U.S. officials responsible for their care. The Guard troops' stated role on the border at the time was to provide extra sets of eyes but not make arrests.

    Bush initiated the federal 287(g) program — named for a section of a 1996 immigration law — to allow specially trained local law enforcement officials to participate in immigration enforcement on the streets and check whether people held in local jails were in the country illegally. ICE trained and certified roughly 1,600 officers to carry out those checks from 2006 to 2015.

    The memo describes the program as a "highly successful force multiplier" that identified more than 402,000 "removable aliens."

    But federal watchdogs were critical of how DHS ran the program, saying it was poorly supervised and provided insufficient training to officers, including on civil rights law. Obama phased out all the arrest power agreements in 2013 to instead focus on deporting recent border crossers and immigrants in the country illegally who posed a safety or national security threat.

    Trump's immigration strategy emerges as detentions at the nation's southern border are down significantly from levels seen in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Last year, the arrest tally was the fifth-lowest since 1972. Deportations of people living in the U.S. illegally also increased under the Obama administration, though Republicans criticized Obama for setting prosecution guidelines that spared some groups from the threat of deportation, including those brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

    Last week, ICE officers arrested more than 680 people around the country in what Kelly said were routine, targeted operations; advocates called the actions stepped-up enforcement under Trump.
     
  2. TheRealist137

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    Is this going to lead to another legal battle where he calls the court system stupid?
     
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  3. Ubiquitin

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    Also, does anyone remember when people were freaking out about Obama invading Texas? Wonder if these people will react the same at this news. Probably not.
     
  4. Ubiquitin

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    Spicey has apparently just denied this is going to happen, and a rumor is this was a test for internal leaks.
     
  5. Nook

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    We have so many other, more important concerns.

    Illegal immigration is on the decline...... do we really want to waste time and resources on this?

    Do we really want to alienate people like this?

    It really seems like the horse is already out of the barn.

    Governing from the bottom.
     
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    The worst about it is that it will make our communities less safe. If people are afraid to talk to the police and give them information about criminals because they are worried about their immigration status, then it hurts all of us.
     
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    And of course, one of those people was the now Governor of Texas, who as Attorney General seemed to fan the flames of the right-wingnut fantasy. Supposedly, each state will have the ability to say whether the National Guard can participate inside their states. And no doubt the wingnut Governor will have open arms for any participation. But not surprisingly, spokespeople for each of the states involved said that aware of this proposal.

     
  8. KingCheetah

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    Why not? Everything else has gone so well.
     
  9. Cohete Rojo

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    Imagine had Republicans and Democrats faithfully executed the law equally for all Americans, you would not have proposals like this (whether a test for leaks or not).
     
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    This actually makes sense. This is what I would do if I was vetting any leaks. Of course with the Trump administration, I would not put it past them to actually do this.
     
  11. heypartner

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    So the test for leaks, leaked?

    Or is that rumor of testing for leaks the test for leaks, while the proposal is a trial balloon.

    :confused:
     
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  12. Ubiquitin

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    "Well-oiled machine" "highest electoral votes" "the leaks are true but the news is false"

    I trust little from this administration in part because of its dysfunction.
     
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    One step away from martial law.

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  15. Commodore

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    this is fake news, there's a reason the AP reporter did not release the memo initially until other outlets did and forced her hand

    she wanted to spin it her way

    The memo was never considered by Trump (hadn't even made it out of DHS), does not mention 100k troops, does not mention using troops to round up anyone, only applies to illegals that have committed other crimes.




     
  16. JuanValdez

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    I'm actually okay with good border enforcement. There's no reason we should let people cross without being checked or to turn a blind eye to people overstaying their visas. We should do those things promptly. But, I do have a problem with trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube with illegal immigrants who have long had implicit de facto permission to stay with the complicity of industry and government. You can't alter the deal with illegals so long after the deal was struck without causing massive damage in society. In Texas, if they haven't prosecuted you for a robbery you've committed in 5 years then you can stop worrying about them ever coming after you. But, if it is murder or overstaying a visa, you must live in fear forever. That isn't commensurate. So, (1) secure the border for real, (2) stop the government and industry complicity and exploitation of illegal immigration for real, and (3) naturalize the 12m people who took the original deal. Reagan tried to do this but didn't go far enough.
     
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  17. NewRoxFan

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    At least that was the part of the draft order the Trump administration leaked, I mean released...
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    It appears the version of the memo posted above did skip over the part about 100,000 National Guard troops intended to round up undocumented immigrants:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...enies-report-rounding-up-immigrants/98041794/
     
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    There's no point in doing something like this before the border is secured. You plug the hole before you start trying to get the water out of the boat.
     
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    4D chess
     

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