Media Defenders

"Can I just point out that it's a little bit ironic . . . that Jews somehow found another way to **** Jesus over?"

go to 3:09 https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney...pewdiepie-after-anti-semitic-posts-1487034533

ipaman, YOU are the fake news guy.

You're practicing your lying skills, after the Liar in Chief, repeating the same "victim" lies over and over and over and over.

 

Look, we all get that you've decided what you've decided. There's nothing to actually "discuss" with you. "The Media" (amorphous and multi-faceted though it is) is all one big evil thing to you. Okay. This is a regular narrative for many conservatives now; I think it oversimplifies and helps create stronger-walled bubbles between us all, but so be it.

But as far as me building a multi-million dollar company? If I have to use another company's platform to distribute, and I have a contract with another kid-friendly type company with huge softball branding issues, and then I distribute something like "Jews somehow found another way to **** Jesus over" to my customers, I am a ****ing dumb ass. If I said that in my job, I could really be fired.*

You can say Jews are too sensitive, if you want. Say it. You won't end up in jail. You can complain to the WSJ and I would encourage you if you think they reported falsehoods. (Though it seems more like you don't like how they presented facts, or you wanted more context for your youtube hero here or something.) You can also boycott Disney products if they are too PC for you. There is a lot of power for a consumer, and if whatever this dude's name is can prove a court case against WSJ, more power to him. If he can prove breach of contract against Disney, that option is WIDE open too.

People get treated unfairly all the time by private employers and it's the largest reason we have HR depts and civil courts.

Ultimately, your anger does not belong to media, WSJ, or Disney, in my view. You are angry that a culture will act in unfair ways and prioritize PC outrage in possibly inconsistent ways and you are angry that PC culture does not align very well with your own beliefs. Those are all legit feelings for you, and I can even sympathize.

But the media is just selling clicks and ad times and trying to survive payroll for another week, bro. Fox is doing the same thing, with a different kind of PC, but they are just much, much better at the business model, for now.

EDIT: * from above -- Bill Burr, the comedian, loves to say non-PC things and he has addressed this very openly. Doesn't have a TV show, doesn't have his own youtube channel, etc., because he's smart as crap and shields himself. It's just him and his live shows. People come to a comedy club, knowing he's going to perform, and if they're offended, that's their problem. He makes good money for the clubs, so he's gonna be fine.

 

Well written, @B-Bob

 

Yes this is a free country, just because it's a free country doesn't mean you are free from consequences. He's free to make these jokes, but his sponsors are also free to drop him. Nobody forced him to make these "jokes", nobody forced him to pull that "death to all jews" stunt. It don't take a genius to see why Disney a company that relies on their family friendly image would want to distance themselves from someone that made a joke that contained the words "death to all jews".


I do own a multi million dollar business, the difference is I understand the things I say have consequences.

Also, he is not even an American. He is Swedish & lives in the UK.

 

If he'd done this on the Dumont Network in 1951 he'd have been done, too.

The only difference is, people used to have producers who could talk them out of committing career suicide.

Walt Disney had enough sense to not make antisemitic jokes in mixed public company. It's hard to prove WD's antisemitism beyond a doubt because he knew enough to keep it off the record. That is why people still debate it back and forth. You'll still find tons of people who say he wasn't antisemitic because he never said anything on film.

What Disney the company does care about is being attached to a scandal that will get a subset of people all worked up. They don't care why you are hot. If you are hot they'll drop you like a ton of bricks. It's always been that way. Associating your brand with things that get people upset is bad business. Maybe that's a cynical way to do business, but I'm amazed that you are surprised by that cynical world view.

Also, as an aside, conflating Disney the publicly traded company today with Walt Disney the man in the 1930's is odd to me. To me, they are not related in any meaningful way at all. Walt Disney was a big driving force behind creating and sending the ridiculously offensive "Song of the South" to theaters. Disney the company would do nearly anything today to make you forget it ever existed. Different entities separated by different times. Saying Disney can't care about antisemitism because Walt Disney was antisemitic is a bit of a non-sequitur.

Finally, you can say things at 3 am on Comedy Central that would never fly on NBC at 11 AM on a weekday. Pewdiepie had basically been thrust into 11AM on NBC by virtue of his deals to get put front and center of YouTube content. Now, he's back to Skinamax at 2AM where he won't have to worry nearly as much about offending anybody. Context of the audience matters. Rush Limbaugh said the same things during his brief run on Monday Night Football that he said on his radio program. The problem is MNF didn't have a self-selected audience that tuned in specifically for his offensive speech, so saying exactly the same things got him kicked off the air.

 

FTFY B-Bob.

If you get the chance, watch the press conference that Trump just held to ostensibly announce the new Labor pick. The whole thing was an exercise in self aggrandizing media shaming. Trump discusses policy by either saying "It's a secret", "It's going to be great" or "I'm better than Hillary." The rest of it was an exposition to Republicans watching that the media treats him very unfairly. After he spoke to the CNN reporter, he goes on to crack jokes and many people in the room laugh. It's all "sound and fury and signifying nothing" as some Fake News guy once wrote.

Well, let me clarify that. It's more "Donald Trump is correct on these issues because he knows better." That was the massage of the press conference. Oh yeah, also, "Melania is high quality"

Like it or not, this is the man that speaks for conservatives now and it's an all out assault on media who is critical of this administration. It whips his supporters into a frenzy and soon all of them will completely distrust anything negative any media outlet says about Trump unless Trump says otherwise. What a time to be alive.

As for Felix (I refuse to call any grown man PewDiePie), the guy made his fortune screaming at the top of his lungs when he's scared by videogames. Hilarious. Jenna Marbles got a MadTv gig briefly, so maybe he can stop playing cute with "edgy" racist crap and reform his image in the future. I don't care. He's not funny to me. I don't exactly agree w/ what YouTube did (Disney had every right) but, a lot like the Nordstrom's thing, Youtube is a business and made a business decision. Keep reaching for the stars, Felix. In the meantime, there are plenty of other Youtubers w/ better senses of humor.

Now Bill Burr is funny. And @B-Bob is Fake News for saying he doesn't have a TV show. It's called F is for Family and is on Netflix. He also has a Podcast.

 

What does this have to do with the liberal media or far left?

Sensitivity over antisemitism, agree with it or not, cuts across the left/right political divide.

 

You don't get it.

WSJ has the freedom to write whatever they want to write as long as it is based in facts.
Disney has the freedom to fire the guy.
Pewdiepie has the freedom to say whatever he wants to say.

 

You are totally unhinged. More distressingly, you are stupefyingly boring. Also, you obviously completely misunderstand what the fake news phenomenon is all about.

The bonus in all this is that you are losing your mind over some guy with a stupid name who is as unfunny as you are boring and that basically no one else here had ever heard of before all this. And then you're incensed that no one else recognizes this as a sort of comedic Kristallnacht.

But really, whatever it was you quit taking a day or two ago, I think you might want to resume the dose.

 

I'm having a hard time following what specifically was the fake news that WSJ as reporting.

They called his videos offensive. He acknowledged that he went too far. In that, they are in agreement.

Was there a factual matter they got wrong, or do you object to them applying the adjective "anti-Semitic", which clearly means different things to different people?

 

I had no idea ipaman was this far off his rocker.

I had no idea that a grown man playing with children on the internet was considered a socially acceptable occupation.

I also had no idea that the Wall Street Journal was slanted liberal fake news. I may have to rethink my subscription.

 

I didn't know who this guy was. Found out his largest demographic is 8-12 year olds. All the insane things going on in this country right now and this guy wants to focus on some child entertainer. hahaha hahaha HAHAHA