Everyone sees brewer stink it up game in and game out. I think that leads us to over estimate how bad his contract is because how much we don't like him. But honestly, how much would it realistically cost to dump him for little to nothing in return? Under this new cba how expensive is 7.6m? Under the last cba it cost is a 1st to dump Lin's contract, but that was under the last cba with a salary exceeding 15m. At a time, when we were absolutely looking for peak cap space. For context I should mention he was a much more productive role player, but vastly more overpaid. The salary cap has risen from 76+m to 94+m. The new MLE is around 8m+. So far this year, the only bad contract to be moved is miles plumlee. Who has a ridiculous 4x12.5 left remaining. He was traded for hawes (po for yr2) and hibbert (expiring). No draft pick compensation. At a higher cost per and longer length of contract. Also, Cavs just dumped a much lower birdmans contract plus cash and received top 55 protected draft pick (nothing but tax relief but didn't cost them anything but his salary in cash) So in order to dump brewers minimal salary, does it actually cost us a future 1st rd pick? Or is it somewhere along the lines of a mid 2nd rd pick? I think our disdain for brewer has tainted our ability to dump his contract. I think a 2nd is whats needed at most.
His contract was never terrible. His shooting % is. I am not sure a team wants to take on that. But yeah, a second should get it done.
Pretty bad with his current level of play. I doubt you would get a used condom and an expired bag of Cheetos for Brewer right now.
Yeah, but say a team like Indy who wants to switch to a faster pace team, it wouldn't be difficult to shed his contract. I'm not actually stating anything in return, but rather his contract and it's perceived "negative" value. For instance, I think we could do brewer+(lower of our 2nds) to Lakers for Calderon. Which is essentially a used condom salary dump for cap space in the off season
I thought it was pretty bad until i saw the Hornets trade for Miles Plumlee and his 48x4 fully guaranteed contract. Now i think it just doesn't have a positive value, and it will be a 7M expiring contract in 4 months so...
I had been originally thinking it wasn't that bad of a contract in the current cba landscape. And I just kept watching all season suck and not playing good, I fell in line with everyone's thinking it will cost us to dump him. But I'm the same as you, as soon as I seen plumbers contract get move with absolutely no asset loss it reopened my eyes that I don't think brewers contract is a big negative, or even a negative at all.
IMO $7.6m in cap space is worth more than a #36 pick. Would YOU give up $7.6m of our cap space this summer for a #35 pick? Being real, I would need at least a #15 pick to lose $7.6m in cap space this summer. Think about it for yourself. We have about $10m in cap space this summer. What pick would it take for you to accept the $7.6m contract of a player that should not get minutes if you plan to contend? Jeremy Lin was a different scenario. The Lakers believed they were getting a borderline starter. Corey Brewer is a 15th man. If we waived him, he would not get more than the minimum for the rest of his career. His play is directly correlated to his trade value. If he were capable of being a rotation guy, I would agree that a second rounder would do it. I've been hoping he gets hot a while so we can maybe squeeze him out with a 2nd rounder. But he is not going to be useful again. He is 30, he is slower than he was, teams/defenders are faster/quicker than they were, 3pters are more important than ever, and he is a below average defender. I'm not a negative person. I'm hyped about all our guys, but you gotta watch the games. Brewer is a hard worker who is a TERRIBLE basketball player. Just terrible. If I could attend games, I would have probably ran onto the court and choked him by now. Especially the fouls. More than the bricked 3pters, which I sort of accept from him because I barely expected any more than that. But the stupid fouls kill me. And selfishness on the break. I know he wants to attack the basket, but he should expect that sometimes he has to avoid screens or pass to a slightly trailing player who has a better angle. I think we could maybe turn Brewer and our first into a player better guard than KJ/Brewer/Ennis so there's hope there I guess.
The only teams that will think this way are teams who expect to need cap space to pursue a high end player this year in free agency. Teams that are in rebuilding mode won't care about the cap space issue. Brewer's contract isn't a big deal honestly. The issue he's a negative as a player. A team won't WANT him for any contribution to you'll have to entice them to take him. However, a rebuilding team would likely have no problem taking Brewer and asset. Particularly since after this season is over he becomes a nice expiring contract that suddenly fits into salary matching deals.
It doesn't hurt the team's outlook under the current big-money regime. Giving minutes to Corey Brewer, on the other hand, probably hurts the team.
Perfect! Then Brewer'd be on the Grizzlies and if we meet them in the first round we're sure to slice through them like a hot knife through butta.
Keep in mind you can always use the stretch provision, which makes his cap hit 2.6m for the next 3 years.
Big man are always worth a lot more money. Brewer is a 3&D + fast break guy that has no 3 and not much D, and makes stupid mistakes in the open court. His only value is as an expiring, but as an expiring in an era with many teams having cap space and $7m not being able yo get you much good, the expiring aspect probably isn't worth very much. Considering Brewer is at best a $2m contract player next year, I'd say he still can't get traded.
But he is a rotation piece. He's bad in our system, just horrible. But none the less he is in our rotation although at the bottom of it. He's not a 25th guy, that's Bobby Brown level of crap. He is a 9-12 rotation player who comes in to provide hustle and effort. He does just that. He pushes the pace and gets in transition constantly. This has value for a high paced team although not a lot of value. He is better than a lj/ennis type player; which is why he plays above them in the rotation. The biggest detriment is indeed his lack of an outside shot at all. But he's a great locker room guy and vet presence, something that also carries some value even if little. 7.6 extra mill to us the rockets is great this off season, but to Philly? Or Brooklyn? How much more cap space do they actually need? Brooklyn needs any picks they can get. I think they gladly swallow brewer for a 2nd. Philly needs vets to help the young guys and they can't acquire quality vets via free agency without extremely overpaying, so brewer could hold value to them. Look at the contracts around the league. Mahinmi, biyombo, plumlee, Crabbe, Turner, etc.... These are all much worse contracts Imo but also likely very similar to brewers, under the OLD cba. Brewers old bad contract is in the NEW cba. And Imo 7.6m isn't that significant of cap space for a player anyways under the new cba. Kj McDaniel level players will be getting these 6-8m per contract now and vets will be getting 10+
Here's a legit question: What's worse Brewer $8m going into last year or Lin's $20m going into last year. We had to package a 1st round pick to dump Lin's contract. Doesn't bode well for salary dumping Brewer.
I definitely disagree here. He's bad in our system, but you say he has value for a high paced team you say. Yet, we are a high pace team. And that's the only system he's possibly good for and he's struggling this much. IMO you can get a good locker room presence and vet for the minimum if nothing is expected of them on the court. Jarrett Jack is available right now, and he's a high character guy. If you knew Jack's knee has rendered him a 15th man, would you ever pay him more than a couple million for his lockerroom presence? No way, you wouldn't bro. Also you say the cap space is valuable to us, and not as much to other teams. I disagree there too. While it is more important to us, it is not unimportant to other teams. They care who they pay. They can make up the $7.6m on 2 or 3 players and I'm sure they would rather do that. Brooklyn especially, their management is not going to take Brewer for a 2nd. That's an ambitious front office. Philly too. They gave Henderson $9m and Rodriguez $8m. I would attach a #25 pick to Brewer to exchange him for any of those two guys. THOSE are bench rotation guys. Mahinmi, Boyombo, those guys... all rotation players. Bigger contracts, but they can be plus value on a court. Brewer is worth the minimum on the court right now. If he were released he would never get more than the minimum ever again. That's absolutely not true for the guys you listed. They are in a different league. Not great value players, but they are not Brewer, not by any stretch of the imagination. It's really not fair to say Brewers will be getting $7.6m in the new CBA. He wouldn't get a minimum contract in the new CBA era. That means his contract is bad in the NEW cba. It's like 4 times larger than it should be. It's not that Brewer can't hit an outside shot. I specifically said I can tolerate that. It's the fouls. It's the poor defense. It's the blown layups. It's the lack of midrange game. Really, he does nothing on the court but run fast and a lot. But he can't do anything with it except for when the opponent breaks down on defense, which is when anyone can score if they run a lot. Look, it's not locking our team down or anything, that much I can agree with. But he is one of the worst $ per production players in the league right now. His productivity can be had for the minimum, from players we've never heard of. He's not good at the rim, he's not good outside, he's not good on defense, and he's not a good rebounder. He's a hard worker and a good locker room presence, and that's worth a couple mill tops. Anyways, I hate piling on a good guy who everyone already knows is a terrible player and we've been saying it so much. I get what you're trying to say, but to me it's an open market and GM's are not that careless. They have options, they have goals. If I were the GM of another team, I would laugh at the idea. I'll just sign Fredette for $5m and Jack or Chalmers for $3m if I'm desperate to make salary. If it's for the pick, I'd rather have the $7.6m in cap space given I already own incredibly valuable draft picks. Count me on the side that thinks we would be incredibly fortunate if we got rid of him mid season for a #35 pick. Maybe #31 pick would work. More likely, we will wait till the summer. However, I will be pretty ticked off if we don't get a decent player to take Brewer's minutes and insure us against Gordon/Bev injuries.
