To be fair, tyler ANUS or Tyler Pennis or whatever u prefer, and kj are burning roster spots aswell and i dont think that harden keeps them here. I think to pay a guy like bobby brown the minimum to make your superstar happy is actually a good deal for you as a gm lul, as long as u cant fill the rosterspots with more talent.
Brewer is a two year deal. It'll take a first round pick just to unload him right now, like Lin. I like Mirotic and think he'll turn it around, but I wouldn't trade multiple assets for him when he's about to hit free agency. Even at his best, he's only a slight upgrade to Anderson and not at all an upgrade defensively. Keep picks unless you're trading for a major upgrade.
Eh, i get what you're saying, but still...Ennis is a failed gamble which was worth a try (imo at least, it's debatable though), KJ is whatever you want to say but he's still nba material, Bobby is just not nba material, he's literally a wasted spot...
But does it even matter? They are still not playing ANY meaningful minutes - literally only garbage time. At that point i dont care if its bobby brown or kj or my grandma taking the roster spot. If my grandma could make james happy i would be fine replacing kj with her. She can't play, but as i said, does it even matter if you're not getting any minutes anyway? Edit: obviously u prefer KJ for trades rather than my grandma
Yep lol And other than that you can still find something special, even from the 12th guy on your roster...i mean, i know it's a very rare scenario, but you never know.
I get what youre saying but my point is that MDA wont even give the 12th man a minute in the game. He likes his short rotations and unless (god beware) multiple players get injured at the same time (like 5-6 roation guys) i dont think KJ will ever play. Obviously Anus gets his minutes when Gordon/Pat is out.
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If Ross is better than I'm describing, then doesn't that mean they overpaid more than I described?? I feel like you are removing an important piece of context: who is Serge Ibaka? If Serge Ibaka minus Terrence Ross is going to catapult the Raptors to clear ECF favorites above the Celtics, then why is Orlando the second worst team in the league right now? I need to make this part crystal clear. I'm not asking why Orlando is not competing for a top seed. I'm asking why Orlando is one of the 5 worst teams in the league despite a relatively talented roster, previously succesful coach and playing in the Eastern conference. I also fail to see how acquiring him now guarantees they will sign him. He's an unrestricted FA. He can walk. I used the absolute best case scenario, which is probably unlikely, that Ibaka has already agreed to re-sign with them right now. A good young player on a good contract + #21 pick for the chance to sign a player that has not lived up to expectations in Orlando and seems like he will demand $32m. Look, I feel like this is a great situation for him to bounce back, and Toronto can be very good if it works. Even if that happens, they overpaid. Sometimes, depending on your circumstances, you got to overpay. I'm glad we did not try to match or beat that package. You gotta just let them have that.
Correction, they gave that up for 3 months of Ibaka and his bird rights. After that, they are as likely to keep him as any team is likely to sign him unless they give him $32m. If Toronto gives Ibaka $32m and maxes Lowry out, I'm happy because they are out of the race for the ring for at least a few years.
See you summed up my view in the end of your post. Brewer + our first = literally worth nothing in return. That's what you would have to send to Philly for a TPE. So you're essentially saying, you would offer Ariza for Ibaka and Meeks, and then throwing in Brewer/first to make salaries work. Why would Orlando do this when they just got offered a better pick and Ross locked up for 2.5 years age 26? Ariza is not worth more than Ross and the #21 pick. Personally, I wouldn't have offered anything more than Brewer + Harrell + KJ and that's assuming Ibaka has already agreed to re-sign. And there's no reason Orlando would accept that deal given what they're being offered by Toronto. Toronto overpaid because they are in a bad situation right now, they have been in an inexplicable funk for 2 months where they've dropped from 2nd seed to 5th. As has been relayed by the media, the other offers for Ibaka were significantly lower. That was the market. Orlando got lucky. If Toronto had been winning, they would be getting a significantly worse deal. Ross is a young starter on a lot of teams though not a great one, and the #21 pick is something. And now, they are not in the driver's seat. They either have the agreement or they will have to max him out. So they better catch fire the rest of the way. I think there's a chance it works out well, I like his fit on that team. But it better be f'in good or they will fall apart this summer.
I'm almost 100% sure that he is not 27 as listed but more like 30-32. He has allready declined a lot for a player who is supposed to enter his prime right now.
Yeah, that's hardly debatable since MDA played 8 guys lately when they were literally gassed with a couple of guys playing injured...but even than, you never know, maybe you bring in a guy like Briante Weber, he does great in practice and even MDA gives him some minutes...
Yeah I see how your view makes sense for the Magic. Ariza is the better player. And imo the better fit for the locker room, etc. as a means to try and start changing culture. But sure from the Magic perspective while he's better, he's better in the sense of the ultimate role player on a good team. I get the market is what it is br wouldn't say Orlando got lucky. Ross is a ho hum player. A late 20s pick is what it is. It's not a decent haul and frankly given the embarrassment of turning Oladipo + 11th pick into half a season of Ibaka, Terrence Ross and a late 20s first i wouldn't have been surprised to see the Magic hold onto him and maybe resign him or maybe not. At a minimum could have waited until the trade deadline and seen if offers improved in any way.
Orlando essentially traded Tobias Harris, Mo Harkless, Victor Oladipo and the Number 11 pick for Terrence Ross and a pick that will be in the mid 20's. They were forced to do it too because of the logjam that they created with Ibaka, Biyombo, Gordon and of course Vucevic. This should allow Gordon to move back to PF where he belongs, but it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place if Orlando would have been smarter. IMO, great deal for Toronto.
I think that afther this patetic1st half, the discution is over, we should bring Ibaka the team cant get a rebound agains Maimi!!!! wait for the playoffs.
Codman, Now that our lack of depth at the 5 is suddenly relevant to so many, do you mind sharing more of what happened in our trade talks for a big?
Codman of course can chime in himself, but the target he mentioned previously was Taj Gibson. It sounds like the Bulls took the Thunder offer in the Gibson/McDermott trade. Not sure what the Rockets were offering. I know the Bulls wanted Beverley but it is unclear if he was part of any Gibson package.
I wish we could've gotten Nurkic. I doubt we resign Néne now with injury. I hope we get another big similar to Nene. He saved us the 1st round when Capella went awol.
