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Trump Signs Order to Restrict Refugees from 7 Countries But Not Saudi Arabia

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crossover, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. JeffB

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    Trump might want to read Lawfare directly instead of citing the one line of the article that made it into Morning Joe. (Hint: the article supports the ruling and condemns the Republican administration.)
     
  2. Amiga

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    Is the Trump's lawyer and the Trump's WH that incompetent? Why was this not presented when asked for evidence by the Court? I suspect they aren't that incompetent.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    Why would it of mattered? It's the 9th circus. They clearly had their mind made up well before hearing/seeing any evidence. That's what the 9th circus is known for.
     
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  4. durvasa

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    Why attempt any defense at all, then?
     
  5. Amiga

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    So they decided to not show evidences because it wouldn't matter, but yet they show up to court and try to win the case? SMH.
     
  6. cml750

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    I guess by citing this 1965 law you are ignoring the immigration law and section 1182(f) which expressly grant power to the executive branch to limit immigration from countries with terrorist ties in matters of national security. Of course that law was enacted in 1952 if I am not mistaken so you will probably claim the 1965 law you cite takes precedent. If so I must point that in US code 1187 enacted in 2011 section 1187(a)(12) grants the President authority to limit visas from countries that promote terrorism. So if your argument is the 1965 statute "trumps" the 1952 statute then the 2011 statute "trumps" the 1965 statute. I may also point out the 2011 statute was enacted during the leftist hero Obama's "reign". Obama used that statute himself without court challenge from wingnut leftist and idiots like yourself.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    agreed. I would also say trying to mount a defense with like 2-3 days prep is dumb. Thats the fault of the Trump administration. needed more early warning before EO came into effect.

    The stats you're reading took quite a bit of effort to come up with . They had to find everyone who had been convicted of terrorism and then do what background checks they could on them. it takes time.
     
  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Since our basketball BBS has instant experts on things like immigration law (with more expertise than hundreds of lawyers and judges), can we try something in the hangout on neuroscience? If y'all all pull together, you might be able to do something more useful, like cure Parkinson's disease (while there's still time!)
     
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  9. NewRoxFan

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    And yet,
    Obama didn't ban anyone, so that isn't a valid comparison.
     
  10. cml750

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    I think a cure to leftist disease would be far more beneficial to the country.
     
  11. cml750

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    So you are living with alternative facts here? Not surprising for a leftist who immerse themselves in alternative facts. Obama did in fact use this statute in 2011 to ban Iraq immigrants for 6 months. Are you that naive???
     
  12. NewRoxFan

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    Can't wait for the Virginia challenge to the Muslim ban... They are focusing on Trumps and Giuliani statements. Heh.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

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    I've alread
    I have already posted on this previously a few times. Numerous fact checkers have already shot down this comparison. Try again.
     
  14. Ubiquitin

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    Obama did not ban all Iraqis in 2011. This is a false equivalency.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/

    “President Obama never imposed a six-month ban on Iraqi processing. For several months in 2011, there was a lower level of Iraqi resettlement, as the government implemented certain security enhancements. Indeed, as we identified new and valuable opportunities to enhance screening, we did so. Nobody should object to a continual effort to identify legitimate enhancements, but it is disreputable to use that as a pretext to effectively shut down a program that is overwhelmingly safe and has enabled the United States to exercise world leadership. In any event, there was never a point during that period in which Iraqi resettlement was stopped, or banned.”

    And aside, I find it very offensive that you wrote that leftism is a disease needing curing.
     
  15. cml750

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    Seriously, you stand on leftist alternative facts??? As sad as that is, it does not matter. The President had authority to do what he did based on the Constitution, the 1952 law and the 2011 statute which "trumps" anything enacted in 1965. I know this is hard for a leftist to believe but I assure you reality is reality and the leftist skewed view of reality does not change the actual reality.
     
  16. cml750

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    Oh you poor little sensitive snowflake, I apologize for hurting your feelings... Not!!!!!!!!!
     
  17. Ubiquitin

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    I expected better from you. YOU in particular. I really did.

    Civility matters.
     
  18. cml750

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    Likewise, what you typed was ridiculous. You were called out for what you are so deal with it or you are the sad snowflake I described.
     
  19. Deckard

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    Your ignorance is staggering.
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    So me, all fact checkers, and two courts are all wrong. You, empowered by right wing social media, and a President who already admitted his intent, are right.

    The good news, Virginia is going to pile on soon. Heh.
     

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