First question is whether we should be all in to win this season? Or wait until next? Then if it's this season, who gives us a better chance of doing so, Harrel or Ibaka? (who would have a better 7 game series against SAS, GSW and Cavs?). IMO if the answer to the first is this season, then I'd do the trade and go after Ibaka. Hopefully though if we do go after him, we can do so without giving up Harrell.
But all teams need a good bench player, Trez has a lot of value because his short size means other teams wont overpay for him despite his good production. Draymond Green wasnt even sure he was gonna get the max despite his crazy strong play whereas GSW maxxed out Klay Thompson with no issues, thats just the bias against undersized players. Look at the cost of bench guys nowadays, you're lucky if you can get a bench big man for 10M. Trez can get paid half that amount despite extremely strong play which is why you keep him.
You never go all in though, thats just dumb in 7 games how good is the chance.of Harden+Ibaka vs Lebron+Irving+Love or Durant+Curry+Thompson+Green+iguadala? If you had 1000 dollars and you were forced to bet on a team would you put your money on the Rox? Remember Spurs had the chance to trade Tony Parker for Jason Kidd in order to go "all in" on Tim Duncan. If they were dumb and they did that their ring count would be limited to 3 and then both kidd and TD would be too old and Spurs would have to blow it all up. If you really want Ibaka you can sign him in the offseason without giving up assets. Expecting Alexander to pony up cash just to get a team on par with others in terms of talent is just dumb, he wont do it because the salary tax increases each year you stay in tax up to 300%. You think he'll pay up to 90M every year for Ibaka? Lol
You're spot on (especially the last part). My point (and I should've been clearer) was if Harrell is included in a trade, I would expect Brewer to be part of the trade for salary purposes. IF we can get Ibaka now, I'd expect we could retain him past this season when his contract expires. But I realise that's no guarantee. IMO Harrell, whilst he brings great energy and athleticism, without a facilitator like Harden, I just don't see him as anything more than someone coming off the bench, whereas Ibaka is a definite starter and an improvement to what we currently have.
I don't understand how this is still being discussed lol . There is almost no chance we land Ibaka. Our chance of getting him is lower than Corey Brewers 3 point percentage . What might be feasible is to help facilitate an Ibaka trade.
We're likely going to face Grizz in the round 1 and they are going to kill us if we don't trade for Ibaka.
I think Mil could be posed to make a play for him . Parker is hurt , but Middleton is coming back ? Mil can offer a salary match to ORL in Henson ... Who they won't want , but hey they can always trade him later .. Or trade one of their centers . Then Mil can also give ORL a choice of Parker/ draft picks etc .
What value do you put on Ibaka in a trade? Keeping in mind he's a UFA next year and likely won't stay with the Magic.
Well people here are talking about him like he's the missing piece to our Chip. How do you think Ibaka ranks overall as a player ? As a PF ? as a PF/C ? I think given what was given to OKC he's fairly valuable and will command at least one very good prospect and a first rounder. Yes he's a FA. Still the team that has him will be at an advantage to hold onto him. I'm assuming that most any team he gets traded to will be a better situation or a better city than the magic. Mil could want to trade for him. They could offer a player like maker or even parker. Also their first rounder will be better than ours. Bos might want to pair him with Horford and Thomas. They have better assets than we do. Chicago might go all in, in which case they can offer Gibson as an expiring, Jerian grant/Bobby Portis which are players generally regarded more highly than Dekker or Harrell. Oh and their 1st rounder will be better than ours. What about Toronto ? he'd be an upgrade for them. Patterson and the guy they drafted in the top 10 in 2016. Oh plus their pick nest year will be higher. The truth is that most teams that are "contenders" that want him will have better draft picks to offer and will likely have prospects with higher ceilings to trade. Even teams that aren't contending might want to trade for him in hopes that he will stick around for the extra money they can offer. Even teams like Washington can offer a higher pick than us and expiring contracts and the magic are in such a bad situation who knows what they want. Remember a few years ago when the Lakers traded for Howard. At that time ORL didn't even want to rebuild they wanted to retool. Maybe they want to try and retool around Fournier, Payton , and Vucevic/Biyombo and hope that Hezonjia and Gordon come through. Most teams will be able to offer better, cheaper, and younger players than us. Its not that I think Ibaka is some great star that you need to give up a top 5 pick for. But literally EVERY OTHER TEAM can beat our offer of COREY ****ING BREWER and trash. Dekker and Harrell are nice, but they are more valuable to us than most other teams right now, because they fit our system. Neither one was taken in the top 10 and around the league they are not viewed as having star potential.
Rocket Obi-wan says, "Serge Ibaka is our last hope." Rocket Yoda calmly replies, "No...there is another..." From what I heard on NBA TV, there's a pretty good chance the Heat will buy out Bosh with about two dozen games left in the season, when they can get his contract off their books for medical reasons. That's even more likely to happen now that the team is winning and has found an identity without him. Bosh has said his doctors said he could play again but the team doctors are still iffy. Assuming he can pass a physical, I'd take a shot at him. If he's healthy and can round into shape during the month he'd be with us before the playoffs start, he could be valuable. I know, I know -- that's a lot of ifs. Something to keep in mind, though. Several teams are reportedly keeping an eye on the situation and considering adding Bosh for the playoffs if he becomes available. We already know he's okay with playing for this organization. Morey likes the guy, and he fills a position of need for us -- an actual seven-footer who's a strong rebounder AND can space the floor.
The thing to keep an eye on in Miami is Will Pat Riley totally unwind it by dumping both Whiteside and Dragic for as much young talent and picks as possible. If he does, that will be a very tempting "all-in" scenario for us and would almost require us to move Anderson out. But a rotation of Dragon/Bev Harden/Gordon Ariza/Dekker Whiteside/Nene Casspi or Dudley (whoever we could get)/Dekker would be championship worthy. In your trade scenarios if you consider moving Anderson out to Sacramento for Gays expiring plus mclemore, casspi, others, it leads too much more trade flexibility.
Weren't there rumors about the Heat cutting him like the 1st March to make him ineligible for the playoffs anyway though? Kinda remember something similar...
All this talk about Ibaka and whether he is the missing piece to a championship run, made me think about what sort of line-up featuring Ibaka would make us a realistic contender. My highly ambitious, Houston-biased proposal is: Trade 1: - Houston gets Ibaka - Orlando gets our 2017 1st, our 2018 2nd, our 2020 2nd, Harrell, KJ and Brewer Trade 2: - Houston gets Millsap and Hardaway Jr - Hawks get Anderson, our 2019 1st, and a 2017 2nd owed to us from Denver or Portland (if needed throw both 2nd round picks in) http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ha2j78o Biggest issue with the above is that I have no clue what is the relative trade value of an expiring 32-yo Millsap vs the 2017 version of Ryan Anderson signed for another 3 years at $20m per year. Maybe the Hawks see Anderson as the better fit. Why Rockets do it: Our playoffs rotation would be Ibaka/Millsap/Ariza/Harden/Bev with Capela/Dekker/Gordon/Hardaway coming off the bench. I think this team would have a decent chance against the Cavs and Warriors. With Ibaka and Millsap our defense becomes top-10, and our bench gets much stronger on both sides of the court. Of course, if it does not work, we lose a lot of picks for the option of overpaying two past-their-prime players. But that's the nature of all-in moves. If it works, we can go over the cap in the summer to extend them, but will have limited room to make any other moves. Why Hawks do it: They are playing well, but are going nowhere. Millsap may flee in the summer. They want to get as much value from him before he leaves. Anderson is a good fit next to Howard, gives the Hawks spacing and outside shooting they lack. The two picks give them the upside to upgrade their wing rotation. Why Orlando does it: Rumours about Ibaka being available have recently come out. The Magic do not seem keen to offer him a long-term deal in the summer. Typical package in those rumours is a young talent and a 1st. If Harrell and a 1st can be bettered by competition (eg Toronto), maybe the two 2nd rounders are enough to seal it for us. 3 picks and Harrell is more than a decent haul for an expiring Ibaka. Orlando can then trade one of Biyombo/Vucevic for a wing or a point guard.
I just feel like LeBron would sign him Gay isn't expiring anymore. It was a player option and with his injury he isn't expected to exercise it.
It's possible, but I don't think it's smart and I wouldn't bet on it. But who knows he may feel this year is the best chance he has at one last quality contract coming off a productive season despite being injured
Should of kept DMo and then flipped him over to Magic for Ibaka. Magic would of loved a budding young superstar who does everything like DoMo
