70 Houston Cypress Ranch High in HTX Nazi Salute Heil Trump Heil Hitler

This is true, but the underlying fact it's ok to joke around about Hitler is frightening.

Those kids should be forced to learn the history of WW2 again.

 

What? No, no you can't. Every school has explicit rules that states you cannot use a cell phone in class. There is no claim of ignorance to defend that. She used her cell phone in class, her teacher told her to put it away, she didn't, the teacher told her to leave, she didn't, so the school resource officer was called in to remove her. She was also a problem child to begin with.

This situation is totally different. The only rule I can think of from school that would fit is "no racist or offensive gestures". Now we'd certainly hope that they know that saying "Heil Hitler" and doing the Nazi salute is racist and offensive, and they probably do know that, but they probably don't understand how offensive it is to others. That's where their ignorance lies.

Where this further differentiates is that no teacher told them to stop doing it and they never had the chance for it to escalate from further defiance. The picture went on as normal until students reported it and there was an outrage. There was no disruption. None.

So they certainly broke a rule and a punishment is warranted. Now to determine what their punishment should be, I think you should take into account a multitude of factors so that they understand why what they did was wrong so they don't do it again. The factors to consider would be what they did, what damages they caused and could have potentially caused, the intent and their point of view, any repeat offenses, etc. From what was reported, I think a lecture, an apology, and an assignment would be enough for a first time offender who sincerely looked apologetic.

Side note for CometsWin inserting race into this to imply that I have any racial bias is very shameful, but I guess that's expected with a race baiter.

 

Your double standards for kids based on race is what's shameful. Black girl gets tossed across the room, arrested, and her wrist broken and you say she deserved it. White kids giving Nazi salutes at school, well we just need to realize they're not aware or mature enough to understand what they're doing. Why aren't you advocating they be arrested for being disruptive at a school function? One kid gets an arrest record and the others should get a lecture and a homework assignment. You should be embarrassed by your disgusting double standards. This double standard is exactly what we see in society, the incredibly rapid escalation to discipline and violence towards minorities by authority.

It's interesting that your posts about these situations aren't the racial double standards, it's my pointing them out that are the race bait. Oh race bait, you're so cute. Any time you get caught in nonsense, just cry race bait.

 

The deep analysis of this is pathetic. Stupid kids, done.

 

What double standards? These scenarios couldn't be any more different. The only thing they share in common is that they happened at a high school. That must mean they're the same!

I don't care what the color of these kids's skin is. That girl could be white, brown, purple, or green. She broke a rule, she refused multiple times to correct her behavior which made the situation escalate to physical force. A more apt comparison would be the dumb lady who got kicked off the plane for berating a passenger. A flight attendant told her she had to leave, she refused, so police were called in to escort her out. I laughed in glee when she was kicked off. But guess what, she was WHITE! Whoops, I guess that doesn't fit my racist bias.

So instead of refuting any of my arguments, which I have clearly laid out for you, you utilize a dirty political tactic to brand me a racist to dismiss my stance and gain supporters on your side.. That's such a dishonest, ugly attempt to win a debate, especially when you have no proof to claim that I'm a racist, but hey, I guess that's what I should expect from someone who is **** at debating.

 

The classic ole white, brown, purple, and green argument. That might just be second to the my best friend is argument as the most pathetic ever.

There's no dirtier political tactic than quoting you directly.

Why don't you explain how high school seniors lack maturity and live in self contained bubbles and how their lives revolve around their own social circles but a 16 year old is far more mature and self-aware. Why don't you explain how not leaving a classroom is a class disruption worthy of a criminal act but having Nazi salutes at a school function that are now on every news show in the country isn't an even more egregious disruption to running a school. An arrest record and a broken wrist vs homework and a talking to, your double standard in effect.

 

And again, you ignored my counterpoint. Obvious deflection because you can't debate it.

Because her arrest was from her resisting the commands to leave the classroom. Like I said in the previous page if you'd actually bother to read my responses, if the saluting kids were told by teachers to stop saluting, refused and kept saluting, then they're free game to be body slammed when they refuse to stop. But that didn't happen.

Do you truly believe that these 70'ish kids were neo-Nazi racists? Or do you think they were edgy teens being offensive for laughs like almost all of these reports turn out to be?

 

WW2 history is an extensive part of the current middle and high school curriculum.
Peak selfishness and cruelty arise in high school. Most end up getting better afterwards.

Or at least one can only hope.

 

There is a double standard, but one that goes much deeper in each of us and throughout society.

You have to think about why one case deserve a call to the police and the other does not. Why one case deserve a criminal charge and the other does not. And why do people like you and many other think in one case, the end results and punishment is acceptable, but excuses the other case as kids being kids. It's much deeper rooted. Playing the game of because the cop was involved in one case is completely missing the larger picture and frankly, maybe a way to hide from those deep seated bias that lead to having double standard.

If you are to accept that we can't allow student to disobey teacher (using cell phone by self) for some society norm, or school norm, how can we not said 70 student doing a nazi salute does not completely break society norm and school norm? You simply cannot. In fact, using a cell is pretty normal and shouldn't be deserving of a call to the police --- this is just the school being over-reactive and dumb. And the action of the cop is way over the top. While a nazi salute is extreme and have dangerous consequences to society, so much so that in some places in the modern world, it's jail time -- not saying we should be doing that, but to point out again how extreme the action was. Stepping back and looking at both incidents with a wide lens, you can see which one is much more deserving of being punish and being set as an example to maintain order.

 

Can't find the story, but I saw on the news this morning that the Houston Holocaust Museum has extended an invitation to the senior class to come take a free guided tour through the museum and also talk with several survivors.

I think that would really nip this problem in the bud. Can you say reality check? Teach these dumb kids the deeper meaning of what they probably think is just a silly senior prank...

 

Your logical fallacy is one that commonly happens. The initial infraction is not what caused the event to result in physical enforcement and arrest, it is the active defiance to correct the initial behavior that escalates to physical enforcement. If cell phone girl had quietly put her phone away when first told to, she would not have been thrown across the floor and arrested. Agree? Similar for the woman on the plane. If she had stopped harassing another passenger, she would not have been kicked off. Now apply that to the current topic and you'll see how differently these events were handled.

I agree that racist gestures are more damaging to society overall than cell phone use in class. But the biggest difference is how these kids have accepted their punishments. My feeling is only that suspending them teaches that their Nazi salute was wrong, but doesn't really help them understand why it was so offensive. Apparently, the school is also trying to revoke scholarships of all the kids who saluted, which I think is far too punitive for edgy kids trying to be edgy.

 

I get all of that. I asked you and all of us to look at it with a wider lens. There is a deeper issue here that is buried. I didn't see it myself for many years, and not until recently. It's still there, but I do see it now. It's at an unconscious level and you won't notice it until you look very carefully.

 

That's good stuff. Imagine if we treat all people that do stupid stuffs with this type of altitude.

 

Revoking scholarships? Seems we would need MORE education, not less. Community service would be a better solution.

DD