Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam

Switch out the word "crime" for the word "terrorism". Now switch out the word "African American" for the word "Islam". Would calling something a "war of African American crime" be ok, because if you cut down on African American crime, it reduces crime?

No... and neither does saying "its OK to only focus on Islamic terrorism." If the goal is to make the world safer from terrorism, then say *that*. And focus on all sources of terrorism.

Unless... making the work safer from terrorism isn't really the goal.

 

Islam is a choice. TO answer your question though, yes it would be okay to focus African American neighborhoods to reduce crime if that was the most effective tactic. You know most people love having cops around as much as possible. Lots of people love having a cop live next door, especially if its a troubled area. You would be surprised how many African Americans would support having more cops in their neighborhood to cut back on crime. Again this was MAyor Bloombergs approach too radical Islam as well. He focused resources on mosques and worked with local Muslims to keep good intel on Islam in NYC. Lots of Muslims loved it because they fear radical Islam too. De Blasio ended it.

 

Well, no it wouldn't since that chart was done in 2015.

But here is the crux of your argument.

No one in this thread says that islamic extremist should be ignored (at least i'm not)....but should right wing terrorist be ignored?

 

We should use our resources that way intelligence says is optimal. That very well may be (and most definitely is) to focus primarily on Islam. Im still waiting for your list of those right wing terrorist attacks.

The model is Europe. We don't want to end up like they are now.

 

Islam is a choice is such a blanket washing of 1 billion indivudals. I don't think of it as a choice. It's an opt-out ideology as is all religion. 99% of muslims were born into their religion. For many, it's mere conviencence to stay with their religion as it grants access to their local community and be on good terms with their families. Im sure there are thousands of Christian adolcents on this planet that have no choice other than claim they are Christian inorder to be accepted by their family. It's the same case with Islam. It's not merely a 'choice'.

It's safe to say that 98+% of all 1+ billion Muslims were merely born into their faith. It's more than just a 'choice'.

 

you insult every Muslim who did turn away from their extreme beliefs. Saying 'i have no choice but to treat women as sub-humans' is not gonna sell with anyone.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_Park_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Holocaust_Memorial_Museum_shooting

Do I have to go on? Does this register as a threat to you yet? Why should it be ignored? Focusing on Islamic extremist is fine. Once again, this isn't about that. It's the idea that they will not focus at all on random right wing nuts who pick up their guns and want to shoot places up for their often racist or xenophobic views.

 

Leave us not forget the new black panther party,skinhead nation also.

 

I don't see much correlation between the 2 programs. What is good for NYC on a local level may not be an appropriate approach nationally, or in other cities/regions.

I love that phrasing. Interesting, since you're adamant that we go where the intel takes us and the FBI itself has repeatedly said right-wing extremism is also a very real problem in America.

Why is it a one or the other situation?

 

The only one of those that could be considered right-wing would be the planned parenthood shooting. The rest are nazis and white supremacists. Hitler considered himself on the left side of the political spectrum and was a socialist (not that these were left-wing terrorist attacks). he was not a right winger.

If intelligence says they are a threat then sure lets look into it. DO you have proof, Trump is ignoring Homeland on this issue?

 

Right, but neither Vietnamese nor Korean wars started out in that way.

 

TIl I insulted myself. As an ex-Muslim who routinely ventures in ex-Muslim support circles youight want to shut your mouth with assumptions. A large portion of ex-Muslim are ex-Muslim at heart only due to family and local government pressures. ex-Muslims verbally come out when they feel it is safe. I was fortunate to live in the States with a progressive Muslim family who are upset with my decesions but still love me and interact with me on a regular basis.

I love how you equate Muslim to one who must treat women as subhuman. I guess I can obtain the same logic with all Christians also. Literally every draconian text in reference to women found in the Quran is found in the Old Testament. The whole 'women must obey their husbands' trope is in both religions and you know this. The difference is I don't assume that every question believes in every literal part of their holy book that they probably never read. They assume that their natural empathy coinsides with their holy text.

You know in my years of debating Muslim family members or random Muslims on the interent what the most contentous part of the debate is?

Agreeing with the initial facts about the life of the prophet and the context of the Quran. It's not that the Muslims I know believe that they are compelled to treat women like **** or **** little girls. Instead they disagree with the narrative that the Quran is mysoginistic and Muhammad married and ****ed a 9 year old. So obviously that means they disagree with the notion of treating women like **** and ****ing children while assuming that their natural empathy coinside with the teachings of their religion. That's how most Christians AND Muslims practice their faith.

 

what assumptions?

Did you want to compare how Christian countries and Muslim countries treat women? No you cant apply the same logic.

 

Both the Bush administration and Obama administration have stated that it's a threat through the FBI.

 

Aside from your revisionist definition of 'right-wing', the policy doesn't even use that term. It says 'nobody else but Islamic terror.' So the nazis and white supremacists would fall outside the purview.

 

No, both are examples of discrimination. One discriminates based on color (stating your intention is to eliminate crime and targeting African Americans). The other discriminates based religion (stating your intention is to eliminate terrorism and targeting people of the Islam faith).

So basically, you now feel comfortable admitting that the policy is not to eliminate all terrorism, but rather to discriminate against Muslims.

 

Its discriminating based off where threats to the law are the highest. Its the executive branch's job to enforce the law. Again, you would be surprised how many of your so called 'victims' would support having more protection. Personally I love having tons of cops in my neighborhood. I don't consider it discrimination. Could you imagine being in a crap neighborhood and hearing gun-fire every night, then when the police say they are going to add more police protection to your neighborhood, some rich idiot screams 'that's discrimination!'

Nazi manifesto

Right so you would need the FBI or Homeland to say that this a bad allocation of resources. Only time will tell if it is.

 

Well, Americans are the most likely to kill you. Wanna discriminate against Americans?

 

Funny you choose to describe it as "protecting African Americans by having increased patrolman present". I would instead describe it as "profiling and arresting African Americans under the guise of reducing crime."

 

per capita? if true, then sure. Its not like this is some radical notion; intelligence determines the best way to utilize resources to maximize enforcing the law by any legal means.

Are these African Americans getting arrested breaking the law? if so, then why would you care about skin color? Again if you are some poor, law-abiding, single mother hearing gun fire every night, your above argument sounds ridiculous.