How should Dwight Howard be received by Houston fans in his return?

I thought it was we'll known Dwight was pulling his antics? It was discussed and all of this info is out there that he wanted interior touches preferably? Is it not proof that they had success in the 2015 playoffs then in 2016 with pretty much the same lineup they stunk? Why is that?

 

Moving the goal posts means you're shifting the target or criteria for an argument/game while mid-argument; in terms of forum posts, that you set out a challenge or argument for someone else to meet or refute, but once someone does, you change what your original "target" or "goal" was mid-argument. Another example would be like telling someone if he can score 50 pts in the game, he beats you, but when he gets to 47 pts, you say just kidding, you win when you score 100 pts.

Straw man is a common logical / informal fallacy where you give the impression of refuting someone's argument by actually only countering a different argument that person never set out, or more often a much more simplified version of the other person's original argument. This form of argument is very common in today's media/politics/facebook posts/forums/etc. An example would be like someone saying they think Troy Daniels is quite an amazing shooter, and you "refute" it by explaining and "proving" how in no way is Troy Daniels worth a max contract based on his shooting prowess.

It's like, cool beans, no one said he was worth a max lol.

You're welcome.

 

I really hope we cheer because Houston fans already have a bad rap (remember us cheering with Schaub got injured?) for being classless bandwagoners. I mean, that is probably what we are.

I don't think Dwight did anything to warrant boos. I think he should be cheered. Not emphatically, like say Yao, but I don't think he really "wronged" us in any way where he deserves boos.

I would be proud if we cheered, ashamed if we booed. That's just me personally.

 

Appreciate that. I don't see how either applies on this case though. I originally said, using the WCF argument as a way to bolster dwights case is strange, because people routinely hate on brew even though he was an intricate part of the reason we made the WCF. He responded by saying, hating on brew's game and booing him are different because he had no character or locker room issues etc.

I took that as him saying, you can only rightly boo a guy if he has attitude issues and leaves the team. Granting him that, I said ok well then it has to be true that as long as I don't hate on Dwight for his contributions in the playoffs (which I wouldn't), I am still well with in my right to boo him, because he left and has attitude issues (regardless of what he did in the playoffs.)

I don't see how I shifted at all, I was following his own logic?

 

delete.

 

To be completely honest, will have to have him respond to that. I didn't actually read your original post. No idea if you were doing what he claimed or not haha.

 

expectations for brewer and dwight were different
have no clue why he's brought up in this

 

Dwight's "antics" aside. There's a difference between being a part of the problem and being the entire problem. He was absolutely not the entire problem. You fail to acknowledge the regression of all the players last year and that's not all on Dwight. Blaming it all on him is just an easy scapegoat as I've said plenty of times

 

Only reason I don't see it that way is he does the PNR in 2015 and we are successful, he wants to be Shaq and we stink, then he leaves and we're good again because all of our centers run PNR with James... yes I know we added good players ect but the drop off from one year to the next isn't a coincidence

 

I know certain fans of other whiny superstars here are trying to compare this situation, but's not the same as the past.
Dwight and Harden didn't get along and we still got to the WCF
Feeling not involved in the offense is not the same as not informing your team you are having surgery to end your season

 

It's all good. What he is trying to say is...I shifted away from the brewer part of the argument. I guess that is "moving the goal posts" ? but I only did so to show that it was still not right to use the WCF as an argument for cheering Dwight. So it wasn't THAT different. He is right, I guess people can hate on brew all they want =/

 

Brewer is a role player and Dwight is a franchise player (When we got him)

Your analogy is bad. It's like comparing a roomba to a T1000

 

I should appreciate Dwight for admitting he quit? What is going on here, guys!? Unlike! I guess It's good that Dwight was honest, but he shouldn't be congratulated if his honesty is about screwing the Rockets over. If my girl admits to me she is unhappy in the relationship and she is moving on, am I supposed to appreciate her candor or am I going to be more focused on the bad news?

Dwight did that flowery puff talk throughout the season and I/we stupidly gave him the benefit of the doubt despite his history of lying and what we saw on the court. Dwight quit I saw it with my eyes on court and then when he left in free agency.

Someone has to explain to me the varying degrees of quit too. Some how Dwight LITERALLY quitting the Rockets is the same as Harden quitting on working out, Trevor quitting on passable defense, Brewer quitting on making shots, TJ quitting on knowing how to play basketball/health/luck. You have bad seasons and then you come back and do better. Harden had a "bad" season (put up numbers only 3 other players in NBA history achieved) then re-upped. Dwight had a bad season then left...

So yeah.. Dwight quit more than everyone else. Dwight wins the quitting competition.

 

My analogy here has nothing to do with the quality of the player, It has to do with justifications for getting booed or not. OP said "it wouldn't be right" to boo brewer because he doesn't have attitude issues.. I said, ok, by that standard, it would be acceptable to boo Dwight because he DID have attitude issues. You could substitute brewer for any player in the analogy.

 

Dwight should be cheered for Playoffs Dwight.

There's plenty to criticize from his tenure, but despite his limitations, he brought it in the playoffs and played his guts out, often with more apparent heart than Harden.

 

They are having a video dedication to Dwight and the subject was would people boo or not

When we get the Brewer video let me know

 

you aren't paying attention. What are you trying to say? Howard is better than brewer, and brewer will never get a video dedication? No ****.

 

Haha. Was having a friendly jab since your crusade revolves around not giving 100% effort.

Nice to see you move the goal post to suit your narrative though

See above.

I don't really understand what that scenario has to do with anything. You're happy the leader of your team openly admitted to mailing it in? Just because the season wasn't going too well?

.... Come on now.

 

Kenny: They're doing a tribute for him.

Chuck: Yeah, okay. I will bet you anything they're not doing a tribute.

Kenny: They called me & asked me about it.

Chuck: No way. There's no way! I want to see it. How much you wanna bet?