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Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. Exiled

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    If it's going to be effective, wisely implemented, I'm all for it
     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    More alternate facts from Trump, Bannon, and their supporters here and elsewhere. And driven by their hatred /fear of Muslims and most anything brown. Otherwise, a program to root out and fight terrorism would target ALL terrorists, not just terrorists that also happen to be Muslims.
     
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    Yeah, 9/11: all those Saudi hijackers. . . . Naturally Trump left Saudi off his travel ban and wants to stick up for them against Iran. . . . 9/11 cemented our friendship with Saudi. . . . Weird. . . .
     
  4. Amiga

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    Yea, that's a tall order. CVE has its issues, in particular with the law enforcement side (enticing people to commit crimes). Afraid Trump is going to expand that part of CVE instead of the more proven community based social effort to prevent people from being radicalized. Worse if he turns CVE into a pure surveillance program.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    If you misunderstood anything I ever said as Islamic terrorism not existing or there not being extremist Muslim terrorists, then you were mistaken. You can pull up anything you'd like.
     
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    A name change means very little. That's just politics.

    I want to know what are the additional security steps they plan on taking, and what steps are they planning on dropping.
     
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    This is another thoughtless directive, if he said primary, it would be all good. There is no way you put 100% of your resource into one part of your objective. This is the way things are going to be for the next four years.
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    Must I mansplain this to you? Have not learned anything from Snowden. Our government spies on everyone. We are just now learning about their techniques they used almost a decade ago. Do you REALLY think they are just ignoring anti-government and other hate organizations?

    This is nothing more than grandstanding. The reality is most Americans are much more concerned about terrorism carried under the guise of Islam. They were tired of the PC nature of the previous administration. We can debate and argue about how real this concern is all day long, but quit pretending Trump is granting open season for racist against minorities.

    I personally find the Islamic motivated attacks a serious issue, especially considering they have spiked in the last 8 years here in the US.
     
  9. Space Ghost

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    I personally believe its a cascade of events. After WWII and leading into the Cold War era, countries have taken a proactive measure to ensure events do not get out of control like they did with Nazi Germany. This includes proxy wars in 'lesser' countries like Korea, Vietnam, and now the middle east region instead of fighting them on our own soil.

    With the Middle East specifically, it is about oil. Like it or not, oil is a extremely important commodity to the overall health of our country. While its not so much about the need for the US to control it, but more about threatening countries like Russia controlling it. If we dont intervene and put our presence in it, some very bad hombre's could take our place.

    Once the Middle East reserves start drying up, nobody will care about the fanatical wars over there, much like it was before the 20th century.
     
  10. Amiga

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    Spying might be part of it, but that's not what CVE is about (at least it was not).

    Again, from DHS on what CVE is about:

    Here in the United States, acts perpetrated by violent extremists can have far-reaching consequences. Countering violent extremism (CVE) has therefore become a key focus of DHS’s work to secure the homeland. CVE aims to address the root causes of violent extremism by providing resources to communities to build and sustain local prevention efforts and promote the use of counter-narratives to confront violent extremist messaging online. Building relationships based on trust with communities is essential to this effort.
     
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    Yep, the post I posted after proves that they are and the post in the OP explicitly says that they will focus less on other forms of terrorism. When we have one of these white shooters many people refuse to call it what it is at all in fact.

    I honestly don't care what most Americans are more concerned about, you can rile up people to be scared about anything. You have people scared of Sharia Law from a minority group that is 1% of the country. Using this logic, we should impeach Trump because we have MANY americans that are terrified that Trump is going to strip away their rights.

    That's the problem. Legislating on emotions is part of the problem here.
     
  12. ipaman

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    It sounds awful without context but there is nothing wrong with maximizing efficiency and resources as necessary.

    Considering that OSU, Minny Mall attack, the NY area 2016 bombings, Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston, and dozens of others have an Islamic extremism element or direct influence. It's not about death count either because injuries and ideology are just as bad. That's not even including all of the awful Europe attacks where in most cases the terrorism is influenced externally but bred from within. So it has to be on multiple fronts. Gotta end ISIS/ISIL and gotta stop sympathetic (or worse supporting) mosques and leadership.
     
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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/re...filtrated-law-enforcement-agencies/ar-AAmsNqM
     
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    Target all levels of extremism, both White Supremists like Texx and Bobby and Radical Islam too.

    DD
     
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    Conflicts in Korea and Vietnam had zero to do with preventing another Hitler. The people who lived there were fighting for very personal and real causes to them.
     
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    A hell of a lot more than any other terrorist ever in America these 2 clowns will have more people trying to kill americans here and in other countries.
     
  17. Space Ghost

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    I think you forgot how WWII started. It started off as a personal and real cause to Germany, taking back lands they believed to be theirs.

    The point being is to contain the fighting and prevent it from spreading. One of the selling points of Vietnam was to stop the spread of communism, which could have led to another massive war.
     
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    Mayor Bloomberg similarly focused resources on Muslims extremism.

    Its stupid too waste resources on something that is not a threat just to accommodate the SJWs. The goal is to minimize the number of deaths caused by terrorism. If focusing on Islam does this, then do it.

    Calling other posters white supremacists. Pretty sure that's reportable.
     
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