Why do you guys bother with the far right supporters?

When faced with right wing fanatics you can't allow them to dominate the discussion and perpetuate their hateful nonsense. I agree with you however regarding the cycle. Peddling hatred and fear isn't new and it always ends really poorly. It's embarrassing that our country is on the road to a frightening fascism that I would have thought we'd learned to avoid. Wrap yourself in nationalism, religion, and the military, attack the media, attack immigrants/minorities, peddle fear, etc. It's happening before our very eyes.

 

Its not them, but the party loyalists that we believe have a heart deep deep down inside. I was/am a republican as well. I don't agree with any of the current positions Trump has taken.

 

Self proclaimed moral superiority - check! Yokel stereotypes - check! Virtue signaling - check! Here we go, incoming liberal circle-jerk!

 

Lol at 'yokel stereotypes'. Born and raised in the South and lived in a Marine infantry barracks for four years. I doused myself around rural right wing bump****s my entire life to conclude it ain't no ****ing stereotype.

 

It's wrong to describe Trump supporters on the whole as that though. Trump won college educated whites and Trump voters actually had a higher median income than Clinton's. Country folk are also nicer than city folk, and that's a scientifically verifiable fact, even if they appear simple to self-aggrandizing elitists.

 

Please cite your sources.

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

Clinton and Trump got about the same votes for people making over 100k. Trump won white college vote 48-45 whereas Clinton won overall college vote 51-44.

 

To be honest, I come here to use the conservative cowards as punchin' bags.

 

How about the nut jobs that disrupted a free speech even last night at Berkley? Oh wait, they don't count because they aren't right wing.

 

232M voters. Trump: 63M, or 27% of 232. Clinton: 66M, or 28%. Didn't vote: 95M or 41%.

Of those 27%, I bet at least 5% held their nose to vote for Trump.

95M didn't care to vote.

Why bother? It's not about the far right. It's because messages work to influence minds and there are a potential of 95M out there up for grab, and if you sit back and watch one side dominate the message with the WH showing no problem with using fabricated alternate facts, you will lose again.

 

...or lived in a state where their vote didn't matter

 

These threads serve no purpose. If you don't want to trigger someone, don't respond to them. There certainly are some very sensitive snowflakes on both sides. We're all equally crazy. What it comes down to is what are we crazy about.

 

Agreed.

The truth is we're running out of jobs for unskilled people

 

Just wait until AI become self aware.

 

Automation took most American jobs? Then how did China rise up out of the dust? Automatons? The American worker should have reinvented themselves? The country lost its manufacturing base and the tech, service, and financial sector do not an economy make. A sustainable economy needs at minimum 25% of its job base to come from manufacturing. We are at 9%. Manufacturing has the highest return of any sector per dollar investment, and it's not even close. We've been surviving off of credit expansion for a long time now to bridge the gap and cover up the ugliness, but if you haven't noticed, credit yields haven't been doing much yielding lately, and it's only going to get worse. Debt grows and economic growth is not keeping pace. 1% ain't going to cut it.

An economy is based on consumption and production of those goods consumed, not ipad apps and exotic financial products. People need shoes, clothes, things to eat. Toothpaste. Furniture. If your neighbor isn't making anything, then eventually you'll need credit to supply the consumption and thus growth. But this has a very bad ending, and we are seeing the beginnings of the great unfolding now. There are many other intangible benefits to the manufacturing industry, not the least of which is pride in the work you are doing when you actual produce a physical good, as compared to working in call center, but that's for another discussion. As well the actual quality of the good produced. My mother has the same pair of scissors she used since 1964. Gets them sharpened every 10 years. She's had the same pots and pans for over 40 years. I can't get scissors to last more than two years or my frying pan. So if it truly is the case that an American will never make shoes or a tv again, well it's going to continue to be downhill from here.

Every single thing that Trump is being demonized for at the moment, has its origins well before Trump, from trade to travel bans. Funny how the Left is "horrified" by the current travel/refugee ban, but for the past eight years of perusing this board from time to time, I never once came across such concern for the what caused them to become refugees in the first place - when Obama was sending Saudi Arabia 30 billion worth of arms to turn Yemen into a field of molten glass, or un-lidding the utter disasters that Syria and Libya have become. Nary a tear was shed when the bombs were being dropped and Muslim children being obliterated on their own soil. I suppose this has something to do with the MSM and the crap machine it decides what reality must be. For the past 15 years Muslims were potential terrorists. We had fear meters. Now they are victims and Trump is the second coming of Hitler. It appears to me the neoliberal establishment is fearing for its life.

 

Not or, but it is probably a significant reason. The tragedy of our electoral system.

 

Hmmmmmm, yes I'm sure you and the rest of your fellow Berkeley students were extraordinarily inconvenienced, how are you to find access to the opinions of racist hatemongers now?

 

As opposed to these bastions of the left....?

 

China is losing job to the robots too now. Its the future most people won't be necessary to produce goods because the robots can do it better cheaper faster. How will capitalism work then? The few people who own the robots control the world?

 

American has been a fascism country all along. After so many countries haven been detroyed by USA, you still believe democracy, human rights, freedom crap?

man up, welcome trump. do what a fascist should do.