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[NY Times] Cardinals under FBI investigation for hacking Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by tellitlikeitis, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. Nick

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    Given that he was drafted that high to be a starting pitcher, I'd say "ass-backwardsly" is a more appropriate term for his eventual ability to play MLB games.
     
  2. juicystream

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    During the draft they talked about his bat. He was seen as a legit prospect either way.

    Edit: Here is BA's writeup following the draft.
    24. Astros: Brian Bogusevic, lhp, Tulane U.
    Though more teams prefer him as a three-pitch lefthander, he also has five-tool potential as a right fielder. On the mound, Bogusevic shows an 89-93 mph fastball along with a solid slider and changeup. He has good command, though his velocity and location slipped when he strained a hamstring early in the season. Bogusevic's size, swing and bat speed give him tremendous power potential from the left side of the plate. That power is still more raw and not as evident in games—but it's there. He's also Tulane's fastest player, running the 60-yard-dash in 6.6 seconds during the team's scout day last fall. His arm obviously is an asset on defense as well.
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    The crime, though, wasn't committed by the St. Louis Cardinals and they did not, knowingly, gleam any benefit from it. There's institutional control, sure - and they are ultimately being held responsible. But if the Astros had to pay for the crimes of a seemingly rogue employee making really bad decisions, I doubt any one here would be relieved the sentence was light.
     
  4. Nick

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    And yet no minor league AB's till he washed out as a pitcher?
     
  5. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    He was viewed highly enough as a hitter that he was given a chance at it without an AB for 3 years. It seems very doubtful he gets that chance unless his hitting showed enough promise prior to draft to be an early round pick.
     
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    Brian Bogusevic is why I have trust issues.

    Thought he was the real deal.
     
  7. Joe Joe

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    Astros: Brian Bogusevic, lhp, Tulane U.
    Though more teams prefer him as a three-pitch left-hander, he also has five-tool potential as a right fielder. On the mound, Bogusevic shows an 89-93 mph fastball along with a solid slider and changeup. He has good command, though his velocity and location slipped when he strained a hamstring early in the season. Bogusevic's size, swing and bat speed give him tremendous power potential from the left side of the plate. That power is still more raw and not as evident in games -- but it's there. He's also Tulane's fastest player, running the 60-yard-dash in 6.6 seconds during the team's scout day last fall. His arm is obviously an asset on defense as well.
     
  8. oelman44

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    Point is I find it highly unlikely that he actually was acting alone and kept the information to himself. In my article I posted earlier, he also clearly tells the court he shared his information in the picture at the top.
     
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  9. juicystream

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    Because they wanted him to focus on becoming the best pitcher he could be. Purpura even said he was excited to see what he could do as a full-time pitcher having split his time in the field his whole life.

    Probably somewhat similar to Derek Fisher in terms of hitting prospect.
     
  10. Hey Now!

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    You finding it highly unlikely is irrelevant; what matters is whether MLB found evidence and there doesn't seem to be much of it.

    And I recognize hacking in any form is illegal - but when we're discussing institutional responsibility, if a few of his colleagues were told he hacked the Astros to verify if they had stolen proprietary information - that's light years different than the team personnel department combing over the information and making informed decisions based off of it. The Cardinals organization MAY have made decisions based on the information - the question is whether they did so knowingly. And it doesn't appear they did.
     
  11. Nick

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    LOL,... and thus should end the discussion on the once great Brian Bogusevic.

    In the end, he was neither a great pitcher... nor a great hitter or hitting prospect.... and he was drafted primarily to be a great pitcher.

    He Rick Ankiel'd himself towards some MLB time... and that is commendable. I wish Purpura was better at his talent evaluation than he actually ended up being... is he still in baseball>?
     
  12. Joe Joe

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    I don't disagree that he ws drafted to be a pitcher. I disagree that we know where he would have been drafted as a hitter other than later than he was as a pitcher. There is plenty of evidence that he was a good enough prospect as a hitter that the Astros had to tell media he was a pitcher for Astros
     
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    He's the new President of the Texas League (AA).

    Bogusevic had a great year at the plate as a soph, then was a monster on the mound as a junior. I wonder what would have happened if he had focused on one or the other.
     
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    MLB finding deciding that doesn't mean its right. Could easily just mean they want this to go away and didn't want to destroy one of their most popular franchises. What would be the point to hack our system that much if he didn't share anything with his columns? Why would he hack onto the database over 48 times, on multiple accounts, on draft days and on trade deadlines if he was just going to keep all his findings to himself? Makes no sense.
     
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    This is what I was wondering, why hack the accounts when he did if it weren't to benefit the Cards org.

    Yes if an Astros employee did the same thing I would want the hammer dropped. I cant stand these kinds of people and orgs that hire them should pay a higher price than the one Manfred handed down.

    Also ask yourself this question, if Stearns had done what Correa did what kind of punishment do you think Manfred would've dropped on the Astros org? I'm willing to go out on a limb and guess it would have been much more harsh than the one handed out by Manfred to the Cards.

    The Astros always get screwed by MLB mgmt. See: losing 50 yrs worth of history forced on them by Selig. Manfred is just carrying on the new tradition.
     
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    If another team commits this type of criminal act...they can use the Astros decision as a means to appeal any harsh decision. A person was sent to jail for this crap...and the league took "couch" change from the Cardinals... This was more so about the Cardinals getting off lite rather than the Astros being well compensated. I would've been completely ok if the Cardinals had to forfeit their picks until the 6 or 7th round, and bump everyone else up... Instead the Cardinals loaded up for 2016...traded their top 2017 pick for a decent player. To suggest that the Cardinals didnt know about the actions of a "rogue" employee holds NO water for me.
     
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    The Cardinals were not punished; they were forced to compensate the Astros for what they stole.
     
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    It will boil down to how much evidence exists in terms of the organizations involvement/knowledge. In the case of the Astros, one organization employee for STL was deemed rogue in his efforts. Whether that is true or not isnt important. Its what could be proved that was.
     
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    It could be proved that the Cards hired this rogue employee and should've been held resposnsible for that employees actions. Kinda like I am in my business.
     
  20. bobrek

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    Perhaps to build up his worth to the St. Louis organization? If he offered different/better/more thorough information based on what he derived from hacking the Astros, he could be held in higher esteem and advance his career.
     
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