A first rounder? Wow. You all are tripping about how much Brock cost. They already went HARD after the best available QB just last offseason. Jimmy had even less experience and looked good not great in a system that has been working for over a decade. A system that made Cassell a millionaire and Mallett look tradable. I wouldn't even discuss Jimmy G till after the draft if they are asking for a first. If you are so willing to give up a first rounder, trade next years to move up in the draft and get Deshaun or Trubisky.
The Texans liked him prior to him going to that system, in large part because he possessed footwork and quick decision intangibles that is conducive to system success. It's not the same system that Cassel was in. And Mallet had zero playing time, and didn't cost anything.
Part of me thinks if Jimmy is any sort of talented, hoodie would refuse to trade him here. He knows we are just a QB away and would just want to keep effing with his minion BOB.
They liked him but not for a first, or even second, round pick. My point is Belichek is notorious for making average QBs looking better than they really are. Jimmy might end up being really good but I'm just not ready to bet a 1st round pick on that. Especially with the Texans' recent success in the first round.
We are, however, talking about a pick at the end of the first round... and with so many people clamoring for them to use that pick on a QB prospect, I don't really see the increased down-side with using it on a better known commodity. QB's tend to be over-valued no matter how you acquire them. Drew Henson, who was 3 years removed from college, landed the Texans a 3rd round pick. Brock Osweiler cashed in for a handful of games... and if Jimmy G went to free agency, he likely gets a similar deal without any more NFL film on him. Belichick doesn't automatically make these QB's better... in fact, he's largely hands-off on the offensive side of things, and has always entrusted his coordinators to run the show (including BOB). And just prior to last year, you had BOB getting Fitzpatrick and Hoyer (along with T.J. Yates) to put up the best numbers of their respective careers... Brock has just been a terrible fit. That being said, it does make a difference that the system the Texans are attempting to run does mirror the system that New England has had in place since Brady started playing at an MVP level (which wasn't till year 3 or so). QB's do prosper more in systems that fit their strengths... and they can suffer in ones that expose their biggest weaknesses (much like Brock has suffered in this version).
He'd be foolish to pass up an early round pick... they're not going to get anything for him once he leaves in free agency. And again, Belichick's and the Patriots priorities far outweigh the QB choices of lesser intra-conference division winners... they're literally a SB championship or bust team each and every remaining season of the Brady-Belichick marriage.
Texans are not trading for another Patriots QB...unless it is Brady. Texans will draft a QB and will kicked the tires on Romo if he is released (money is the issue.).
Just watched Jimmy Garoppolo's film from the first 2 games of Brady's suspension and must say I'm truly impressed. New England's O line struggled heavily in that Miami game which eventually led to his injury but from what I've seen this guy looks like the real deal. Tbh I was a little skeptical about him because of our GMs history with a fetish for backup qbs but I saw things in those 2 games I just have never seen from Brock dating back to his days in Denver. This guy is poised and doesn't look scared to ever make a play. He's very agile and is great getting the ball out quickly. I haven't checked his completion percentages but his accuracy passes the eye test. Taking all this into consideration and how New England knows we're a QB away from legitimately competing...I can see them taking nothing less than Clowney and a second. Anyway I know 2 games is a ridiculously small sample size and our chances of actually trading for him are slim to none, but damn would it be nice to finally trust someone to drive us down and score 6 consistently. Whatever happens, I'm just praying the Browns don't pull off this trade.
The Browns should absolutely make this trade. They've already exceeded the quota on failed drafted QB's.
I'm actually glad you made me go back and watch that. I didn't really like what I saw. It looks like classic Hoodie getting the best out of people. That entire dolphins game was screens and quick slants across the middle. Just because Brock can't throw a slant doesnt mean Jimmy G is good. He threw deep 3 times and they were all really far off. He also put his receiver in position to get rocked a lot of the time. Of course this is just my opinion, coupled the fact that I agree with you, hoodie knows we are close and wouldn't trade him to us. I don't want.
But did you really watch some of the nuances that go into his play? For the Patriots, Texans, and almost every other offensive system... its all about what the QB sees at the line. That's what has separated Brady/Manning from guys who simply are accurate or have an arm. If they don't make good/quick decisions, and they aren't able to adjust based on what the defense is showing, all that arm strength, mobility and accuracy is worthless. Even a seemingly simple/straightforward system like Kubiak still relied on line reads as far as how close the defender was lining up to the receiver, which would often dictate what specific route the receiver ran. In the end, fans have to realize that playing NFL QB today is not as simple as it is on Madden... where a set play is called, you know exactly what route the receiver will be running, and you throw it if its open. The mental part of the game, and recognizing what you see at the line, is probably 80% of what makes guys successful... with the remaining 20% based on whether or not a player has the physical attributes to make a throw. You see Brock attempt to go through progressions, but often times... he's locked in on his first read... and often forces it in which is what led to a number of his picks.
I agree to some extent that Belicheck is getting more out of him just because of his greatness as a coach. With that being said, I'm sure the slants and screens were the gameplan because of Miami sending the blitz and how bad his O line was playing. However, Jimmy's confidence in the game did not faulter as we usually see from Brock. Those slants and screens worked because he doesn't pussyfoot around in the pocket and gets the ball out with his lighting quick release which gives his receivers a better chance to make a play.
Unbelievable. This franchise is the poster child for missed opportunity. At least they're consistent.
