Selling high on Harrell might be a good idea, but I doubt Harrell is enough to get them to take Brewer's contract.
Those numbers would not be helpful IMO. Ibaka was a much different player during his playing days with Harden, he was DPOY caliber player up until 2013. He's kind of gone Dwert since then, demanding offensive touches and focusing on scoring instead of rebounding and rim protection.
Step 1: Use Harden's recruiting to bring his buddy Ibaka here. Trade Capela, Brewer, Anus and a future 1st Step 2: Sign Ibaka to a long term contract. Step 3: Sign some role players like Dinwiddie, Levert Step 3: Trade Harden for a primary playmaker, Ricky Rubio who is more efficient that will make us a championship team Signed, _holic
See, I don't think it is too much for Orlando to ask. If you're the Magic, you have a key piece that a team could rent to improve its chances at a title run. I don't just throw that away for scraps. Also, do we know if Orlando has his Bird rights? Because that's not worth nothing. One-third of a season plus the playoffs of a No. 3 caliber guy plus his Bird rights is a pretty quality asset. And even if he wasn't a great asset, why in the hell would Orlando eat the contract of Corey freakin' Brewer just to take on Ennis and McDaniels, who haven't been able to crack the rotation all season long? It just doesn't make sense. If I'm Orlando, I hang up the phone immediately if the first offer doesn't include either Dekker, Harrell, Capela or a 1st rounder at minimum. And it could take more than one of those pieces to get the deal done, especially if they have to eat Brewer's contract in the process.
They aren't gonna get back what they gave up for him. They can ask for it, but they won't get it. A 1st, Harrell, Brewer, and KJ is about as high as we can go for a rental....if they are actually willing to take Brewer's contract.
As an expiring contract, under the old CBA he would fetch a high good pick(s) along with a lowsy long term contracted player so that the trading team could get out from under a cap clogging deal. With the current environment (CBA which allows waive + stretch, ever increasing salary caps) the urgency amongst the potential destination teams for a trade to happen is lower.
Lol how good is Ibaka though really? He was amazing back in the day but he's like a poor man's dwert...provides some D and rebounding but seems injury prone and wants lots of touches. If he was still good doubt Magic would put him on the block
Injury prone?? If anything, my perception has been that he's been pretty durable so far in his career. If I recall, he's only missed more than like 15 games in a season once or at most, twice. Orlando would have a ton of reasons to put him on the block if he was good, starting with the fact that he's already told them he doesn't plan on signing there this off-season.
Maybe we should toss in the bag of leaves I just raked from my front yard and the dog **** I found there while doing it. Let's think creatively. Are there other things nobody would ever want we can toss in to sweeten (or rather stinken) the deal?
I am not a fan of Ibaka, and I don't follow his game. But is it true he's become another Dwight Howard?
Ibaka all comes down to cost. He is going to be a free agent and is expected to sign for the highest bidder. That leads me to believe that the number of teams that are going to be willing to make a trade for him is going to be limited to teams competing and those that are insane (Sacramento). Among the contenders, what team is in the position to make a trade for Ibaka and give up much for him? I don't think there are many. I had discussed possibly sending Dekker or Harrell in a deal with matching salaries (Brewer, etc) and a draft pick. From the Rockets perspective, if the Rockets are able to get him for a salary dump and a player like Dekker or Harrell.... then they probably do it. Ibaka isn't all world but he does hit open 3's, can run the floor well and block shots. He seems to have lost a step when I have seen him play, but he still would help the Rockets win the rest of this season. Would I sign him long term? Probably not.......... there is no way in hell I believe he is 27 years old..... he recently disclosed he has a 12 year old daughter, etc.... not here to argue his age; only to say you trade for him accepting he is likely gone in 2017-2018.
Step 1: Trade all the white boys (except Rynoooo) and two first rounders for T_ones. Step 2: Trade Ariza and Bev for Bledsoe. Step 3: Start T_ones at the 3, Capela at the 5, and Nene at the 4 with Harden and Bledsoe. Championship! Signed, FTW
Why would you give up Dekker than? I pretty much agree with everything you said but this what i don't understand, i would never trade Dekker in this scenario, especially if you're not sold on resign him to a big deal. Speaking of other teams eh, i can see other managments going after him, teams like Indiana, Portland, Detroit, Minnie, Phoenix, Washington, Memphis (no assets here though, i think they send their pick to Boston) are not contenders, but they're also teams with pretty low chances in free agency hystorically, and maybe desperate enough to do it...Toronto btw is the team i would keep my eyes on here, and obviously the Kings like (and for the same reason) you said.
Why would I give up Dekker for him? It would have to mean that the front office/Head coach believes Ibaka is the difference between the second round and the WCF. If the Rockets believe that Ibaka will get them further in the playoffs, then I would probably move Dekker. Also trading for him lets the Rockets get a good long look at whether he is someone they DO want to sign long term. Speaking of other teams eh, i can see other managments going after him, teams like Indiana, Portland, Detroit, Minnie, Phoenix, Washington, Memphis (no assets here though, i think they send their pick to Boston) are not contenders, but they're also teams with pretty low chances in free agency hystorically, and maybe desperate enough to do it...Toronto btw is the team i would keep my eyes on here, and obviously the Kings like (and for the same reason) you said.[/QUOTE] All of those teams are possible, but they would need to believe that Ibaka is worth a massive contract and be confident they can beat out other teams on the open market. I agree with you on the Raptors, they are willing to go ALL IN this year.
Not feeling giving up Dekker for a potential 'rental' situation. I "might" consider Harrell since the Rockets have some surplus value with Capela/Nene already on the roster.
Not saying he's quite Dwight level in likeability or even talent/production, but he is Dwert like in wanting to be a focal point on offense. And his defensive numbers have dropped off considerably since 2013. The guy was averaging over 3 blocks a game (again AVERAGING) in 2012 and 2013, his DPOY years, and dropped all the way to 1.9 blocks his last season in OKC (2016). He is averaging 1.6 blocks with ORL. That is decent production but compared to what he did in the past, the drop off is severe. And he was never an elite rebounder, at his peak he averaged 8.8, but he's averaged 6.8 rebounds the last 2 seasons. Ibaka has a 3 point shot and good mid-range game, but as a defender and rebounder Dwight is the still the better player.
