Fake news - the liberals are unhinged and out of control

No, it doesn't matter if them saying what they say gives my post credibility.

It just shows that you're wrong that it is only rank and file liberals that are bothered by this. There are many who are bothered by this that are conservative, that are independent, and even those that have nothing to do with US politics or no dog in this fight that have spoken out against this.

You do a disservice to your own side when you claim that anyone that disagrees is just a stupid liberal so whatever I guess.

 

That the commentary against Trump is over the top is neither a strawman nor a ridiculous argument. It is actually not even debatable. That the media is completely over the top hypocritical in their comments is similarly not even debatable. That you seem to not only think so, but that said issues aren't even occurring is on you, not me--but typifies the viewpoint of the media and many on the left, hence my comment on your comment.

 

Where did I compare Trump to Hitler? Are you upset at the uber-liberal Charles Koch for making that comparison? And I'm kind of getting sick of the Obama comparisons, he cut off visas for certain areas due to credible threats at the time, I have yet to see any credible threats or information that support Trump's action besides "Obama chose these countries!" Why is it suddenly okay for Trump and people who support this to argue that this is acceptable because these are countries that Obama had focused on? Did Trump not just run an entire campaign that was based on very strong criticism of Obama's handling of this situation?

 

Fake news? Just about a year ago, this was Trump's position:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

And recently, this is what Trump's advisor said:

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally

So can you see why people are viewing this as Trump's attempt to legally ban Muslims. Especially when he added the "prioritize Christians and minority religions (in other works, ever religion except Muslims)?

 

So the choice for Secretary of Education plagiarized in written responses to the committee. So there's that.

 

Trump position is clear. It's legality that is getting in his way, for now. I'm sure many people think he wasn't completely serious about the extreme positions he had during the campaign. There were plenty of articles about people taking his words too seriously, and that his supporters do not. Well, anyone that think that way, including me (wishing and hoping) for a short period of time after the election, is dead wrong. He is serious.

 

It's not even a partial Muslim ban, it's a travel ban. Religion is not a factor at all, calling it a "Muslim ban" is just pushing ISIS propaganda.

 

That's all on Trump. He doesn't understand how to communicate this. When you've been talking about a Muslim ban, and then you do something like that, guess what? A large majority of people are going to call it that. And he left in an option to give preference to Christians from those areas.

You know what this is, Bobby? This is straight out of Sean Hannity. He's been talking for years about this whole "They're giving preference to Muslim refugees vs. Christian refugees..." - and it's like Trump is listening to him from 2 to 5 and basing exact wording from his show. Seriously, it's like deja vu reading his EOs- it's been out there for years on Hannity's show.

So, what Trump does is believe specious news sources and runs with them. Let's not forget, this is the same guy who said the Enquirer was a legit source.

Every stupid gaffe he's had could have been fixed with an apology and a PR initiative. But he's too dumb to realize that.

Did a resume for a PR guy once. Said he worked with a lot of celebrities and athletes. Gave me an example- Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon. Both having image problems with NASCAR fans for completely different reasons. Said Gordon was receptive, listened, took what he said to heart, and improved his image considerably with fans. Stewart was indifferent, didn't want to listen, and didn't implement any of his suggestions. Stewart's popularity has never been the same.

Trump is the Tony Stewart of Presidents.

 

I'm not so sure that's the case though. This was never explained as a "Muslim ban", all of that came from those who have been desperately looking for an excuse to protest and.....well, Democrats. When you push the ISIS propaganda that this is a Muslim ban to anyone who will listen to you, it's an instance of injuring the country and aiding enemies in order to try and score political points. It's pretty disgusting really.

Now that said, I still think this travel ban is pretty pointless, and you are right that the Trump administration should have done a better job using the bully pulpit to control the narrative and get out ahead of those who would push ISIS propaganda to score political points......but I'm pretty sure they'd have done it no matter what.

 

Religion not a factor at all?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316586-trump-persecuted-christian-refugees-are-priority

 

That would be funnier, and more accurate, if the drawing was of a bird...

 

That's not the travel ban.

 

I mean, it is wrong that I almost feel bad for President Trump? I mean, he did bring a lot of this on himself, right? Are we going overboard with what he's doing this first week? Or are we justified? Hard to say. Well, maybe not that difficult. Just feels like something's not right - it's one thing to take quick action- well, I worked with this client a week ago- exec, makes $350K, ops exec., and he mentioned that one of the key strengths he brought to the table was knowing when NOT to do the deal. He was sort of the contrarian among the other execs (or the cautious one, maybe that's better), and he saved his company a great deal of money on two key no-go decisions for potential acquisitions. You know, you don't have to move at a snails' pace like the govt. does sometimes, but you also can't do everything at breakneck speed, either. Maybe he should dial it down a bit.

 

Yes, it's from Occupy Democrats- completely biased. But those words are her words. Hilarious.

 

Lenin called these folks "useful idiots".

 

Trump started the narrative. If you say, over and over again, you're going to ban all Muslims, then you create a ban seemingly out of the blue, and you also have "there could be more countries involved," how do you expect people to react?

This is all on Trump. He's been building up this rhetoric for so long, now he's shocked there's a backlash b/c he didn't clearly communicate it and botched the execution of it. Blame him, if you're going to blame everybody. Most, if not all, Presidents have called for tighter border control, etc. Trump's the only one who turned it into a circus show a la Pink Floyd with his lame catch phrases.

Seriously, and then it's "gotta catch the bad guys off guard!" After I read his tweets, I feel like going back to read Danny Dunn and the Swamp Monster and watch my Slinkie go down the stairs. Juvenile!

 

Sad, but true too often. Does it say more about the postings, or people's inability to be open minded.

I've had my mind changed a couple times on sites like these. What did it take? Certainly not any mindless jabs or insults. They pointed out scenarios that my previous position led to that I found I couldn't support. So I adjusted my position. Anyone here who can't say the same has to look at themselves first, nowhere else.

 

I'd just like to point out that when Democrats were whining about "obstruction" by Republicans the last 8 years, I pointed out that they would do EXACTLY the same thing if the situation was reversed.....and now we're seeing that. They are truly making obstructionism great again!

People always need to be aware that both parties are pretty much the same and they prove it every time they get a chance to.

 

You know what's not fake? Pictures of families including a 5 year old boy in handcuffs.

Meh chalk it up as another "inconvenience."


You know what is fake though. Spicer saying that a "majority of Americans support this ban."