Trump Signs Order to Restrict Refugees from 7 Countries But Not Saudi Arabia

Yep, just look at all the whiners on these boards.

 

Agree on career troll part, whether you mean Bannon or Trump matters not. But what exactly have democrats been invited to compromise with Trump on, exactly? They're ready to work on infrastructure and have actually put a plan on his desk.

Nobody was consulted on any of these E.O.'s, not even the executive institutions that exist to make and implement those policies.

Should the set of worried and increasingly vocal G.O.P. senators "pick up the pieces and move on" too?

 

I would love the dems to go after trump hard on net neutrality before they really fack it up. I wish those politicians would stand with me on that instead of standing with 109 non-americans who were detained for a few hours unexpectedly. all eventually processed btw... I wish they would fight against the wall more and instead focus on tax reform which has largely been ignored so far but nope..., they would rather spend all of their time and energy on a muslim ban that doesn't exist while americans continue to suffer because of a tax code that is all too real.

now more real talk, the left, Hollywood, left leaning media, etc..., care more about non-americans then they do about middle america. care more about stopping words like merry Christmas and other PC crap, care more about funding abortions, care more about minorities, etc... folks are tired of being ignored. they want someone to listen to them and support them too. and that doesn't mean ignoring everyone else but don't exclude them from the table like outcasts. if they would include them and just listen they would have so much support.

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...porary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens

Most Support Temporary Ban on Newcomers from Terrorist Havens

Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.

 

Iraq’s parliament, faced with growing calls on several fronts, today passed a resolution endorsing a ban on all American citizens entering the territory of Iraq, a ban which is meant to exactly mirror the ban imposed by President Trump on Iraqi citizens on Friday
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/01/30/iraqi-parliament-votes-in-favor-of-banning-americans/

 

Excerpts from a good article for the
lovers of the ignorant GWOT and hawks, whether conservative or liberal.

Donald Trump’s travel ban on refugees and visitors from seven Muslim countries entering the US makes a terrorist attack on Americans at home or abroad more rather than less likely. It does so because one of the main purposes of al-Qaeda and Isis in carrying out atrocities is to provoke an over-reaction directed against Muslim communities and states. Such communal punishments vastly increase sympathy for Salafi-jihadi movements among the 1.6 billion Muslims who make up a quarter of the world’s population.


Al-Qaeda and its clones had been a small organisation with perhaps as few as a thousand militants in south east Afghanistan and north west Pakistan. But thanks to Bush’s calamitous decisions after 9/11, it now has tens of thousands of fighters,

The Trump administration is now sending a message to al-Qaeda and Isis that Washington is easily provoked into mindless and counter-productive repression targeting Muslims in general.


Bush targeted Saddam Hussein and Iraq in response to 9/11, though it was self-evident that the Iraqi leader and his regime had no connection with it. It was notorious that 15 out of 19 of the hijackers were Saudis,
Much the same bizarre mistargeting of Muslim countries least likely to be sending terrorists to the US is happening in 2017 as happened in 2001.

with Trump fuelling the sectarian war between Muslims and non-Muslims which Isis and al-Qaeda always wanted to wage, their prospects look brighter today than they have for a long time past.

http://www.unz.com/pcockburn/trumps-muslim-ban-will-only-lead-to-more-terrorist-attacks/

 

Playing right into terrorists hand. They are busy recruiting US citizens and now have more talking points.

 

The Cato Institute, founded by the conservative such as Koch brothers, did a recent risk analysis on terrorism and immigration. They analyzed every foreign-born terrorism attempts and acts in the US since 1975, including how each of them entered the US.


Conclusion

Foreign-born terrorism on U.S. soil is a low-probability event that imposes high costs on its victims despite relatively small risks and low costs on Americans as a whole.68 From 1975 through 2015, the average chance of dying in an attack by a foreign-born terrorist on U.S. soil was 1 in 3,609,709 a year. For 30 of those 41 years, no Americans were killed on U.S. soil in terrorist attacks caused by foreigners or immigrants. Foreign-born terrorism is a hazard to American life, liberty, and private property, but it is manageable given the huge economic benefits of immigration and the small costs of terrorism. The United States government should continue to devote resources to screening immigrants and foreigners for terrorism or other threats, but large policy changes like an immigration or tourist moratorium would impose far greater costs than benefits.

 

Hey don't forget,Iran imposed a sanction against US citizens from entering Iran.
and Syrian's PM requested refugees to go back! I wonder why their people were escaping in first place!!

 

I haven't seen a mention of student and work visa. The WH said they would no longer stop green card holder (but would still subject them to extra screening). This mean student and worker on visa is still impacted. There are many stories out there of student and family impacted by this ban. I'm pretty sure this is going to have a dramatic impact on people in the tech industry and on thousands of students.

Student stranded worldwide by Trump Order

Trump's Immigration Order could affect thousands of college student

COUNTRY STUDENTS
Iran 12,269
Iraq 1,901
Libya 1,514
Syria 783
Yemen 599
Sudan 253
Somalia 35
Students in the U.S. from the seven countries in Trump’s executive order, 2015-16

SOURCE: INSTITUTE OF INTERNATIONAL EDUCATION

 

Did Iran actually go forward with that? I knew that was their immediate response, but I thought I read that they will think about retaliating in other ways, but not with a ban on US citizen.

 

Here is a link https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN15C0NR?client=ms-android-samsung

and those detained in the airport before deportation they may face severe punishments if they go back ( dual citizenship is not recognised) , it's better if they're granted enterence to the US

 

(1) I agree with this, in part, but
(2) They are spending time on it, b/c clearly Trump prioritized this, and as has been clearly set out in all reporting, administered it in a way to maximize outrage and disruption, even among his own appointments and within the executive branch. If he's trolling liberals, ask yourself why and is that going to be a good way to move toward tax reform and other more important issues? The liberals are angry b/c he made an overreach that needlessly harmed people (including, by the way, people I know who are moving toward citizenship; it ain't just 109 people at airports, LOL. It's tons of people who were traveling, or at conferences, etc, etc, and are now stuck, separated from their families).
(3) I honestly think you have a great point, and liberals would do well to see the poll numbers that Dagger posted. Non-inclusive, closed-ears outrage won't help us anymore than Trump/Bannon. I'm sure the airport protests are not playing well on Fox News in the midwest -- that's for sure. I'm also sure they aren't getting detailed reporting on how much these first acts mirror Bannon's exact acidic shtick. Wormtongue will try to win with their support, sadly.

 

This is even better

http://www.weeklystandard.com/wikileaks-the-iran-al-qaeda-connection/article/520538

 

Yep, exactly.

 

He sounds like a bitter dork

 

Perhaps the left should stop over-reacting then? Why does the left so want to encourage more terrorist attack on the U.S.?

 

Fair point, B-bob. I don't think they have been, yet. But they should be willing to do so when presented the opportunity. The infrastructure bill is a great place to start.

This might help Trump ultimately succeed, though. Which is something both parties seem to be adamantly against when it isn't 'their guy' in the White House.

 

Yes, that was exactly it. Trump didn't do himself any favors, even with conservatives, on how this was done. Maybe he will learn from this. Maybe not. We shall see. But he could have done it Monday, had a press conference explaining it, etc. and the reaction would have been much less. Which begs the question---did he want to create the reaction intentionally?

 

You blame worldwide reaction to Trump's horrible executive order on Democrats for objecting to it? No that's an interesting transfer of blame...