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Colangelo doing a great job in Philly!

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SamFisher, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. HayesIsBack

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    McConnell is actually pretty good. Has a poise rarely seen for undraftes young PGs.
    I looked him up on FB, and sure enough, he was a coach's son.

    An underrated part of Philly's resurgence.
     
  2. HayesIsBack

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    How to tank a team? Get project big men with upside as these players always have trade value.

    Keep a bunch of DLeague level PGs that will ensure teams lose. And try out players at the other positions to see if they can stick.

    Wait enough years until you hit that star or two to build around. Auction the unneeded bigs away for ready to win vets. Team on upward trajectory, then signs another star with cap space and fill out rosters.

    And, fire the GM that got you 85% of the way there before he becomes Morey.
     
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  3. AXG

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    Maybe because the Sixers aren't dumb...
     
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  4. omgTHEpotential

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    Honestly, I think Colangelo is just reaping the fruits of what Hinkie has done.
     
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  5. rockets13champs

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    Hinkie did all of this.... collangelo did nothing
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    Colangelo brought some much needed basketball DNA to the process ~ not a bunch of algorithms.

    You see the results
     
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    he literally only drafted simmons, who was a given bc they had the #1 pick and he signed Jaryd Bayless who is hurt... This is all Hinkie. Baskebtall is about having the most talent and thats what Hinkie did. That numbers bullshit is all those picks he got thru this process...
     
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    Embiid a real one.
     
  9. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    What happened was so ridiculous. Bunch of jealous owners that put pressure on him who now WISH they could bring Hinkie on as GM lol

    Think about it.

    They are 4.5 games out of 8th seed right now, getting better with time.
    Joel Embiid is a franchise player. You would give him the MAX TODAY.
    Noel, Covington, Stauskas, McConnell, Holmes are all nice complementary role players.
    Okafor and Noel are available as trade assets.
    They will add Simmons, the #1 overall pick, to the roster in a few weeks.
    They will add a top 10 pick this summer.
    They can sign up to 2 MAX players this summer and they don't have to pay anyone but Noel big money till 2018.

    It's a masterpiece. He tanked for 2-3 years, made them potential contenders for 10 years.
     
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  10. hakeemthagreat

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    Hinkie was a numbers cruncher but not a basketball guy. The problem with guys like this is you get alot talent but the on court chemistry sucks. I see why Hinkie was let go. You have to have guys that know the game of basketball running your team. Morey is also a numbers guy but with MDA it balances out
     
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  12. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    You mean like Brett Brown? Your GM doesn't need to be a lifetime basketball guy, if he knows he is lacking in that area, knows how to pick people in that area, and knows how to delegate the relevant decisions to those who know it best. Just like Morey's coaches have been JVG, Adelman, McHale and MDA - all lifelong basketball guys.

    If chemistry is bad, it will show up in the stats and you will figure out with the coach how to fix it (by trade or style of play or whatever). It's not some magical thing. No team just has magically bad chemistry with no statistical indicators. This is, ironically, a myth that developed because basketball guys did not have good enough stats and couldn't figure out why teams were performing below or above their talent, so they just shrugged their shoulders and called it chemistry.

    Having a basketball-only guy as GM is a disaster. Have a look at Thibs or SVG or Rivers or Bird or Phil who are terrible at roster management, handcuffing their teams. Other than the Spurs, where are all these pure basketball guys that are the most succesful GM's? The entire game has changed because of guys like Presti, Morey and Hinkie. They have literally taught the NBA how to play smarter basketball. Basketball guys are on their way out. Colangelo is one of the lucky few whose name recognition and network will help him, but all in all a team is stupid to not appoint the smartest guy to that spot. People like to think Morey is a numbers guy but in reality he is as good a basketball mind as Colangelo and he has the mastery of stats going for him.
     
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    Oh, you mean Morey the guy that everyone wanted fired for hiring MDA?
     
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    It's still about super stars and you need to have multiple ones all this churning doesn't help when you don't have a LeBron, Durant, curry etc.
     
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    Yes well, you see that because you're totally blind. It's really odd. I've never seen you be right about, well..anything.

    Hinkie ended up being completely right and somehow you think there's a legitimate reason he should have been let go? Lol. The only reason the Sixers are relevant again is due to Hinkie.
     
  16. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Superstars are a key part of winning it all of course. Not sure what that has to do with what I was saying? I was discussing the merits of a stats-focused GM vs a pure "basketball guy" as GM.
     
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    Embiid is one of the funniest stars of the last decade. Seems like we just have same sense of humor, no corny or try hard **** like Dwit...
     
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    Morey would've done the same thing if he were given the chances. Probability-wise, that's the most sure-fired way to get a good team. Fans/NBA just prefers bad teams to be managed poorly for some reason. Hinkie put together perhaps the next great duo in just three seasons. Just get really bad instead of being a fringe 8-seed and you can build a talented young core pretty easily.

    Owners need to wise-up and buy into the not-popular tanking method if they want to rebuild a franchise. Other GM's would mimick Hinkie if they were allowed to and had job security.
     
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    Sixers: Hi Sam, welcome to your job interview.
    Sam: Alright so I'm going to disregard wins for a few years, and then I guarantee we will have an excellent core for 10 years and a great coach long term.
    Sixers: Nice, we like it.
    Sam: But you have to promise that you won't fire me in the first few years. It takes a few years. Ok?
    Sixers: Yes of course Sam.
    Sam: ARE YOU SURE? I'm going to lose historically badly for like 2 or 3 years. No wins, nothing. Just player development.
    Sixers: Yeah we get it Sam.
    Sam: So you are ok with the plan as long as I deliver the results?
    Sixers: Yes, sounds amazing. There might be injuries and unavoidable busts, so we should be aware of that too.
    Sam: Yes exactly. Wow it's so refreshing to hear that you understand.

    2 years of losing.

    Sixers: Sam you're fired. We need a basketball guy.
     
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  20. dharocks

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    Sam Hinkie = Robb Stark. Won every battle, got killed anyway.

    Which I guess makes Colangelo Roose Bolton?
     
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