Leaked audio reveals Republicans are in utter disarray on Obamacare repeal

"leaked audio" which we are withholding....

hrmmmm

 

When people criticized the GOP for always voting on repeal but never proposing alternatives, you told us multiple times they had a replacement plan already ready to go years ago.

 

they have lots of replacement plans. Plenty of republicans of presented theirs. they haven't all agreed on one yet.

 

Yeah, that's all it is. Just choosing one of the many many many incredibly great Republican alternative plans. When there are so many great ones, it's hard to choose the right one.

 

Lots huh? Plenty? Perhaps you can share a list of the plans, and explain how each will reduce costs, increase coverage, improve coverage, and specifically address preexisting coverage? Seems without that information, all we have is the same stack of blank papers that Trump had on the desk at his press conference.

 

Here is Rand Pauls

Here is Paul Ryans

HEre is Jeff Flakes

Here is Bill Cassidy and Susan Collins

There are tons. They vary from straight up repeal to Obamacare-lite. Republicans need to decide which they want. which they are doing.

When the media kept telling you the Republicans have no plan, they were misleading you (fake news). Its the opposite they have tons of plans just not an agreed upon one. except maybe this one. which sucks and they probably wont do.

true, but have had no reason to compromise with each other and agree since they couldn't pass anything anyways. now they do. They have been offering plenty of different solutions for the past 8 years.

 

Again, where is the Democrat's published plan in advance of passing Obamacare?

 

To be fair,

I see you couldn't list out the plan, with how they reduced costs, increased coverage, improved coverage, and insured people with preexisting conditions. Looking through your links to the press releases, I couldn't either. But this is what I did come away with:

Rand Paul's relies on health care savings plans that many people can't afford to take out in advance to cover future health care costs. It also is sketchy on details on how it addresses preexisting conditions... it says something about a two year plan, but it isn't clear in whether covers someone that had insurance bfore, or if it covers someone that doesn't have insurance already. So it doesn't appear to help the very people that were helped most by ACA.

Paul Ryan's doesn't appear to address preexisting conditions at all. Nor does Jeff Flakes.

Essentially, the three plans seem to focus on health care savings plans as the primary fix to the health care problem. They also seem to rely on deregulation as a way that costs will reduce and then I guess they think those reduced costs will eventually trickle down to the individual on a health plan. But nothing in the plan directly addresses a balance between improved coverage and lower costs... they remove mandated insurance levels with the idea that someone could have reduced insurance costs by buying the utmost minimum coverage (or presumably, no coverage at all). But that was true before ACA. People gambled they wouldn't need health insurance, then relied on ERs in case they had a significant health problem.

Perhaps I am missing the innovative solutions? Prior to ACA, you could put money into health savings accounts. Prior to ACA, you could choose to not buy insurance. And prior to ACA, insurance companies were not prevented from insuring people with preexisting conditions. So what new solution did these republicans come up with in the past eight years?

 

YEa I know right, why couldn;t I answer a bunch of questions for you. DO your own research. A simple 'my bad, i didn't realize they had released so many options' would of sufficed. I alrdy did the leg work you since you were too lazy to type 'republican healthcare plans' into google.

 

You must have missed this all one page ago...

Leaked audio reveals Republicans are in utter disarray on Obamacare repeal

 

Actually, I am quite proficient at using search engines. What I was challenging you to come up with a list that clearly addresses what republicans now find challenging... a new approach that actually satisfies the promise of "lowers costs, extends coverage, and improves coverage so that everyone gets covered" as promised by Trump. Or at the very least, so that the millions now covered through ACA "will not have the rug pulled out from under them".

None of the three you listed even came close (heck, so far Collins' bill comes closer than the three you trotted out there). So hopefully the "plenty of other plans" from "lots of republicans" you mentioned in your earlier post will be closer to the mark. Because simply ending ACA, and going back to the way it was before ACA is a huge ("yuge") failure on Trump and the rest of the republicans.

 

Repair would've been working spin and appeal to moderates. Too bad the Obamacare brand is so scorched among frothing Cons that the only way to spin it now would be to call whatever they pull out "Trumpcare"...and own it.

 

They know they can't get rid of it once people get something do you think they want to lose it? SS, Medicare, Medicaid these are the biggest sources of expenditure to the country, but will any politician want to cut these programs.Neither the Democrat or Republican party has ever shrunk the government.

 

It was pretty much an open secret that Republicans had no plan for healthcare.

 

Trump has a plan and it's going to be FANTASTIC, believe me.

 

Man the Republicans have talked themselves into a corner. I'm not sure how they get out of this one. Locally here in Minnesota, Republicans did the same thing at the state level. In 2016, they gained control of the legislature from Democrats and because they cornered themselves, they ended up taking part of our budget surplus and are using it to further subsidize premiums on top of the federal subsidies. Talk about a truly strange turn of events when they've spent the last 6 years complaining that they wanted to dismantle the ACA.

And then Democrats here took the opportunity to try and pin them in a deeper corner by proposing an expansion of our current state run health insurance program (we're one of two states with a state run insurance program but its only targeted at families that don't qualify for expanded medicaid or the ACA marketplace subsidies) into a full blown public option as a possible ACA fix. We've ended up with more liberal discussions on health care with the Republicans in charge than with the Democrats who were all in on the ACA. Pretty odd turn of events.