1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Did rep. Gabbard Violate the Logan Act?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tallanvor, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,055
    Likes Received:
    23,315
    It would be an important and sensible law if we haven't largely ignored it for the last 218 years.
     
  2. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,052
    Likes Received:
    15,227
    Have we ignored it, or is it just that people have refrained from breaking it (prior to the Obama Administration)?
     
  3. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,055
    Likes Received:
    23,315
    We haven't had a single voice from the government for a long time, if ever. Is it that important that we have a single voice? I'm thinking not. We just went through a period where folks try to directly sabotage a negotiation. And we were ok with that. And I don't think it's so important that dissenting voices can't be heard, or worse by law, must be suppressed.
     
  4. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Based on what, exactly? Congresspeople travel to other countries and meet with foreign leaders all the time - or meet with them here. The issue only comes if they are trying to influence policy or represent the US Government. Is there any suggestion she did such a thing?
     
  5. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23658239/...8/t/mccain-visits-iraq-his-eighth-trip-there/

    Here's just one example. McCain in 2007 visited the Iraqi, French, British, and Israeli leaders on this one trip. As noted in the article, it was the 8th time he visited Iraq. Obama did a tour in 2007 or 2008 of Europe as well - I'm sure he visited foreign leaders. Congressional fact-finding missions happen all the time, etc. There's a difference between that stuff and what the Logan Act addresses.
     
    FranchiseBlade likes this.
  6. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,052
    Likes Received:
    15,227
    We don't know what exactly she did, which would be the point of an investigation. If it's all very innocuous, so be it. But visiting Assad isn't like hob-nobbing with the executives of allies. We're fighting a proxy war against him. And, Trump hasn't declared his undying love for Assad yet. But, if Trump isn't bothered about it, I suppose he's lending his implicit authority to the visit anyway and there's no problem. Gabbard was supposedly considered for the cabinet and seems to be of like mind with Trump on the Syria question. It could be, so far as I know, that Trump asked her to do it. I rather hope that's the case.
     
  7. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Sorry - to clarify I'm 100% OK with investigating and looking into it. My problem is the seeming pre-judgment that Congress should kick her out or take some kind of action.

    Certainly very true. But from a Logan Act perspective, this isn't super relevant.
     
  8. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,066
    Likes Received:
    3,593
    Just in case some of you want some information from one of the greatest US experts on Syria that is beyond the usual sound points that all the mainstream media seem to want to push.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/americas-failure-russia-success-in-syrias-war

    Joshua Landis is head of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma and publishes the influential blog “Syria Comment.” He is, perhaps, the nation’s foremost expert on Syria. He has been consistently right about the events of the last five years. When most Washington policy-makers were predicting that Syrian President Basher al-Assad would fall, Landis warned that he would hang on to power. While liberals and conservatives were calling for military intervention in Syria to overthrow Assad, Landis advised caution. In this interview, he assesses the Obama administration’s policy in Syria and the prospects facing the new Trump administration as Russia and Iran consolidate their hold over the Northern tier of the Middle East. It is, in my opinion, the clearest and most comprehensive analysis of why the United States failed to get its way in Syria and what it should do now. – John Judis
     
    #28 glynch, Jan 27, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2017
  9. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,066
    Likes Received:
    3,593

Share This Page