DNC Chair Candidate: My Job Is To Tell White People When To Shut Their Mouths

... Squirrel!

 

We should all be careful with our words, especially leaders. Political correctness was part of that - be careful. But we have seen less and less of that, to an extreme non-existence of that from some leaders, from the very top - POTUS. And we said that's alright, because ultimately that's not what was meant - the words didn't matter; grab the p***y - it's ok, it's locker room talk, plus the end results is what is important. Given that backdrop of acceptance of this *new* norm, and the lack of outrage, or the allowance, acceptance for it from many folks, this incident is understandably very pale in comparison. Doesn't make it okay, and as I said, it's not smart. But if we are to be bother this much about this incident, and fail to understand the motivation behind it, we should be very much bothered by POTUS regular messages of the week.

She want to stop white from interrupting because she has a strong belief that those folks do not understand what black faces. That's her motivation. It's not because she hate white, it's because she strongly believe white don't understand. It's completely not politically correct, but it's her true feeling and beliefs on display. Is it censorship? Effectively no, because it's just one person. Is she censoring other voices that disagree with her, yes, she is.

 

Well, we can see that Granville is very in favor of political correctness. He is so much in favor of it, that when the intent is to aid communication through listening and trying to empathize with another's perspective and experience it got drowned out by something that wasn't politically correct.

It seems there are many conservatives who have been very troubled by the lack of political correctness, especially when it involves the helpless white person.

 

What a childish response. Your response was rude because you don't know a damn thing about thing about my personal interaction with people of other races.

I coached multiple sports for 10 years and I have dozens of minority kids that look at me as a surrogate father. One is a current WNBA player who invited me to her wedding in St Marteen. Another was shot and killed in December and I cried like it was my son when I heard the news.

I remember taking a kid home and his mom answered the door with a black eye. Next day his mom ran off with her abusive husband leaving their 3 kids alone. He had to move in with his single aunt. After the season I would go get Stephen when my oldest son and I would go places. I continued keeping in contact with him through high school.

Some of these kids are in their late 20's now and still call me Coach out of respect. Didn't just coach the kids. We talked about life too and race came up at times. It varied from player to player but we agreed and disagreed on things. Never did any of us feel like the other wasn't listening. Nor would we want to silence the other at any point in the discussion

Whether it be as leader of the sports team or the Autism group, I chose to not prop anyone up with a crutch. Whether with the players it was their effort, their grades, drug use, b****ing about their parents or with parents interaction with others within the group, I gave them honest and thought out input with the best intentions. I suggest you do the same with those you have the ability to provide positive influence.

I'm not claiming discrimination. I'm claiming what she is proposing is naive and stupid

 

I see you took her tact of pandering to your audience. Bravo

 

Awesome, I'm glad that in your personal life you are able to agree to disagree and talk with people about all sorts of issues. I really am.

What she said isn't actually naive. I don't doubt that it's true that people who haven't walked mile in another race's shoes might not understand what they deal with, and that listening instead of interrupting and talking might in some way help and alleviate that.

That's what she was talking about, but you and plenty of folks got worked up, because she said something politically incorrect about white people.

You can call my response childish, but all I'm doing is trying to make points in a somewhat light-hearted way.

 

Again, I'm using piss-poor attempts at parody to try make a point that many people who say Political Correctness and Safe Spaces are what's wrong with society are the ones, who cry out the loudest when the table is turned on them in much less meaningful ways.

As for her pandering to her audience, that isn't always a bad thing.

 

No, it is naive.

It's also naive to think that free pass from the left to false flag incidents that BLM protested over didn't cost Democrats votes. Trump's a dumbass but he was smart enough to have a strong stand behind law and order. How long do you expect anyone to listen to a narrative where Michael Brown the alleged gentle giant had his hands up when he was shot without interrupting that with facts and common sense.

 

What is naive is to think that the unrest after the Michael Brown incident was only about the Michael Brown incident and not a long history of unjust and unfair treatment at the hands of law enforcement in that area.

I agree that making a poster of an incident incorrectly and labeling as something it is not, is detrimental to the cause. But it doesn't mean the cause isn't just, because the cause is absolutely just and has been shown by studies and investigations. That is true specifically in the area of law enforcement in the same jurisdiction where the Michael Brown mess happened.

Focusing on only that one incident where the guy shot was wrong, while ignoring the scores of incidents where law enforcement was wrong in their handling of minorities is naive, and a prime example of what the speaker was talking about when said that sometimes folks don't listen.

 

You have a very good point here. Believe it or not, political correctness goes mostly one way today. And politically, you are at a huge disadvantage because of that. I don't know the solution... But I do know getting the message across in this one way street need leaders that are aware of it and be smart about it.

Win back folks then show them the right way Vs fighting folks and never having a chance to communicate anything that would be heard.

 

You did not, B-bob, I certainly wasn't trying to infer you did. I would agree that you are one who acts as you describe.

What I was comparing was Hillary's statement, which is very reflective of the Democratic issues in the election, and the statement being discussed here. There is fairly uniform consensus that Trump won because he identified with groups that felt left out, the white working class being a big chunk of that. Telling that same group that they need to keep quiet certainly isn't going to win them over, and would in fact make the problem worse.

FWIW...Republicans had much the same disconnect, only with different groups, until this election.

Hey, I'd like that too! You know why it doesn't happen? Because far too many people are far too willing to buy into 'their' party's bs, and the propoganda against the other party. We don't demand sane, fact based parties, so we don't get them. :-(

I would add: try to wait and see on Trump. I wasn't a big supporter of his, at all, but was cautiously, well, optimistic isn't the right word. I could see things that might allow him to greatly exceed expectations (expectations being so miserably low). Most of the criticisms of him were mainly around his rhetoric. Let's see what his actions are, or more importantly, what impact they have. He may surprise all of us.

 

You left out Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Alton Sterling as false flags as well. Maybe supporters of the outrage over those incidents where the police did their job should listen.......to the facts. As far as St Louis goes law and order is not and should not be founded on a free pass for past grievances.

Democrats should learn from their mistakes. You put up flawed candidate and blindly supported a group that spun out of control and in the process helped fuel the murders of innocent police officers. Quit worrying about shutting down people for pointing out things that are discrediting the people you claim to be an advocate for. If your party gave a good ******* about the movement they would instill accountability and would call out false flag incidents for what they are.

 

I don't think anyone is advocating a free pass. People are advocating for law enforcement to be held accountable and institute some changes such as those undertaken in Dallas. There are far too many documented instances and even worse patterns of our legal system having different standards for minorities.

Trayvon Martin was not necessarily a false flag. I don't have a problem with the verdict in the case, but that doesn't show that Trayvon was guilty of anything in that instance except being a target of GZ.

I'm a socialist and not a Democrat. So I didn't put up a flawed candidate, but the Democrats certainly did. Either way the lady in the video wasn't talking about shutting down anyone. You keep arguing that she was, because that was the spin put on it. You've bought the spin and seem incapable of actually watching what happened and realizing what she was talking about.

 

Whether or not anyone "advocates" the a free pass, there is indeed a free pass being given here. Maybe BLM needs to be told to quit interrupting the facts and shut up, listen and then form an opinion. Next step would be educate others inside their cause of the harmful effect of crying wolf over and over.

The false flag flew in the form of a hoodie in the TM incident. That became a symbolic rallying cry yet had nothing to do with TM being killed.

 

It might have had something to do with TM being killed. If that's a reason why GZ followed him, it certainly would have something to do with it. Yes, BLM shouldn't hype the cases that are false flags. That doesn't change the fact that the criminal justice system works differently for blacks than it does for whites. It doesn't make that okay.

The false flag thing is bad because some folks only focus on those incidents and ignore the established pattern in this country.

 

It doesn't make it right that the criminal justice system works differently for the poor than it does for the rich either. In regard to what we are talking about the false flag incidents are harmful when someone like this DNC chairman wannabe wants to tell ANYONE to shut up and listen to these garbage allegations against the police department. That group does not have its act together.

 

Unless people shut up and listen nobody would know if the allegations are garbage or not.

 

Agreed. That starts with shutting up and actually listening to the allegations of criminal behavior by law enforcement officials. That's not happening with BLM. If BLM would do that, their downstream garbage allegations would lessen and with that foster an increase in credibility and trust in BLM It's a real life crying wolf story for BLM.

Not sure why you expect a free pass to hurl unfounded allegations is a good thing for anyone

 

LOL at just about all of this thread. I suspect its a misguided effort to not think about all of the bad things that are happening elsewhere. But hey, Trump won, and "elections have consequences."