Harden fixed his turnovers issue by getting more assists but the TO's are still a problem

55 wins is damb good dude. Good lord some of you posters be on some crazy **** around here.


And no **** Sherlock, of course it's about Championship. But you do know a lot teams have won it with out winning 60 damn games in the regular season?

Just position yourself and hope for the best.

 

Basically just repeated stats that were already posted.

BBholic makes good points.

 

Just a bunch of jibber. You're clueless.

 

Rockets need some rest, and another big.

We will win one playoffs series regardless, but beyond that, we'll need a big.

 

Uh, you're the nimrod who wants to replace the player who has on pace for 58 wins dumbass for pieces that YOU THINK can get Rockets 55 wins.

You need to look in the mirror first if youre looking for crazy.

SMH at the stupidity.

 

You stupid joker, where in any of my post have I said replace Harden. I never wrote no idiotic bullcrap like that. Follow the the damn topic at hand moron. I said that lineup that Ole buddy posted could also win 55 games. That's still a successful season whether you agree or not.

And have you not look at what's going on now. It looks like we will win at least 54-56 games. And if we do I will chalk that up to an successful season. While hoping we catch fire in the playoffs, resulting to another Championship for our beloved Rockets.

Bwhahaha at you poor attempt to accuse me of wanting to trade Harden. Man GTFOH with that nonsense.

 

No, he made excellent points in that post. You just refused to counter them, maybe because you don't know how. I guess being the local board contrarian is a tough thing, though. You have to fight against what you know is right just to throw a counter to anything for the sake of argument.

It's like Mike Tyson said, BBholic. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

 

What knockout punches were thrown there dude? None.

"...not nearly a different as you seen to think it is." That's pure jibber. The playoffs are a different animal altogether. The players and coaches side with me on that one.

"However it isn't because Harden is handling the ball and it won't be because James Harden isn't good enough. It will be because teams like Golden State and Cleveland have more talent." - Ummmm, they have more talent because they are actually playing as a team and sharing the basketball among multiple playmakers. There's a reason for that. There's a reason why KD didn't even give one of his best friends the time of day this summer.

"The fact that you foist all of this on your dated belief that the Rockets failure will be because Ricky Rubio taking the ball out of Harden's hands is pathetic." - This is plain false. Harden doesn't want to move over for anybody or pay off the ball any. How do we know that? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T! Go back and listen to MDA before the season started. MDA kept talking about the proper balance of playing Harden on and off the ball. Well, it hasn't happened. Know why? Because Harden won't accept it. He had Ty Lawson running the wing. He got rid of Lin. Didn't care to keep Parsons. Pushed Thornton out the door. Every player we get that can dribble the ball more than four times and create a shot for themselves or others consistently Harden wants either off the roster or at the very least pushed to the 9th or 10th spot in the rotation. I'll say it again, if you don't think we need another handler/distributor in the starting line-up, you're foolish on basketball. Nook throws Rubio's name in there simply to attempt to add validity and gain support for the pile of jibberish post.

"The Rockets shortcomings have nothing to do with the Rockets not having a stiff taking the ball out of Harden's hands." - Just a double down on stupidity right there. Not to mention settling for also-ran status earlier in his post.

If you think Les, Harden, MDA, and Morey are happy as also-rans this season then once again you're way off. All four guys are thinking about winning it all. And two of them (Harden and Les) have convinced themselves that they can win it all with just a few tweaks, while the other two (MDA and Morey) know they ain't gonna win it all with Harden playing on the ball all the time and being one-dimensional. But at this moment in time both of those men are powerless to do anything about it because Les has raised Harden's status in the organizational hierarchy above both of them! It's the wrong recipe for winning a championship. Everything looks good and tastes good until it's put in the oven to bake and then when it's done it tastes like crap.

Until and unless Harden recognizes that he needs to play alongside a great handler/distributor we won't win a championship. He's going to put up ungodly numbers. He's gonna make a ton of dough. He's gonna gain a lot of notoriety. But we are going to be left void of a championship. And guys like you are gonna be sipping your coffee thinking we're in the running and could do it or waiting for the one little roster tweak that puts us over the top. But it's never going to materialize. We'll keep tweaking and turning over the roster searching for the magic combination while the Dubs, Cavs, and Spurs keep beating us and while other teams surpass us.

Harden has to change his attitude and game before we will ever have a chance at the trophy.

Nook's post was crap garbage dude. Just aimless, pointless crap. But you like crap I see.

 

What we have is a James Harden who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play good defense, and he 'chips in' with 28 points, 12 assists and 8 rebounds, 2 steals and his production has been heavily linked to winning %. That's worth $30m+ per season and is a higher positive impact player than anyone in the league right now. We hope he doesn't turn it over, yes great fantastic agreed.

His TO's lose us some games, but what he is trying to do when he turns the ball over wins us 40+ games. People need to understand this. James Harden is trying to do something when he turns it over. It's the same thing he does when he scores and when he gets an assist or hockey assist. Harden doesn't turn it over because he's an idiot. He turns it over because he is trying to make something difficult happen. And overwhelmingly so over his Rockets career, that has led to incredibly difficult milestones being shattered for team and player. So step one, understand that this negative is a small by product of a MASSIVE positive.

Just imagine for a second that you were having a meeting with Harden and shared your concerns about his TO's and he says: "Are you f'ckin serious? I bring X to them team and you have me here for a stern discussion about a small byproduct of X when we're on pace to win 55 in a season where people said we'd be 8th seed?" and he walks out. You see, James Harden wants to hear about 2 TO's about as much as the CEO at your company wants to hear about how imperfect a job the cleaning lady did. These people have giant massive things to think about.

Harden's very next text is to Les. The next text is from players to each other, spreading a loud laughter throughout the internet corridors of players' social media. Then you will get a text from MDA saying: "You know you really are a worthless POS for destroying the morale of a team performing so high above expectations. You really are an idiot and I'm going with Harden to meet Les." The next meeting is Les telling you to clear out your desk. The headline will be: "Stupid f'in moron pisses off one of the greatest players on the planet over a couple of TO's, loses job, franchise in disarray during unexpected wildly successful season. Unprecedented mental breakdown from GM." Ironically, this would be the single biggest turnover in the history of basketball. Then every next event you go to will be highlighted with people chuckling when they see you, and you deserve it.

It's funny because these whiners think they're being tough and serious when they are just being flamboyantly macho and making a stupid stupid strategic and managerial decision. Just really truly unfathomable thought process. Just a totally conformist mindset of people who do not understand how creativity works. These are people fit to lead a team of obedient nodders who don't have to think about what to do, just have to keep repeating a task a million times.

Get more talent. That's it. Harden is doing his job times ten. You don't go to your all-world, over worked, underpaid employee and whine about a little thing he does when you've surrounded him with an average team and want him to win it all. You can't put someone in a situation where they have to break historic records in order to achieve the goal you want, that's not how you build or motivate a team.

You are basically saying the reason the Rockets are not winning as much as you THINK they can win is because Harden is not playing better than everyone in the history of the NBA. Because that's what it is you're asking for. You're asking for what he gives, minus 2 TO's, plus average defense. That would be among the top few regular seasons for any individual in basketball history. This is not constructive criticism people are putting forth, it's a misguided obsession. It's not where the team can achieve maximum gains. It's not an area where we can question the net positives vs negatives. It's just crazy. Harden might do that, but you cannot demand it, you cannot expect it, you cannot bank on it happening, and you certainly cannot whine about it when it doesn't happen.

 

great post... but i still feel like he can cut some of those lazy passes out of his game.. not asking him to be chris paul-like ast to turnover ratio.. enough with the overhead passes to the other side of the court and ESPECIALLY the bounce passes between 2 defenders.. i can take the turnovers when hes aggressive going to the basket.. but the turnovers that lead to the other team having easy fast breaks are unforgivable. he has a few glaring holes in his game and it might be his MO for the rest of his career.. which means he wont ever really has success in the playoffs as the main catalyst IMO: he at times has terrible shot selection (especially late in games), way below avg defender, and a super turnover prone player. does his positive out weigh his negative? ya sure.. but that doesnt mean there isnt room for improvement on a player who still does those bad things ever since hes been a houston rocket

 

Rockets star players: James Harden
Cavaliers star players: Lebron James, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love
Warriors star players: Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green

What's the difference between these teams?

Yup. You guessed it. James Harden averages more than 4.0 turnovers per game. That is why the Rockets won't ever have CHAMPIONSHIP DREAMZ Y'ALL

 

Jopat, I fear for your mental health. Please get your meds prescription refilled. How could any sane person not see that GSW and Cavs have multiple all stars on their rosters.

Your tirades and propaganda against Harden have pushed you off the deep end. There are lots of Kardashians still available, we now know that Khloe is real reason you have this abnormal resentment against James. #bestrong #rubiolovesyou

 

[QUOTE-rock, post: 10901809, member: 18806"]Jopat, I fear for your mental health. Please get your meds prescription refilled. How could any sane person not see that GSW and Cavs have multiple all stars on their rosters.

Your tirades and propaganda against Harden have pushed you off the deep end. There are lots of Kardashians still available, we now know that Khloe is real reason you have this abnormal resentment against James. #bestrong #rubiolovesyou[/QUOTE]

How could any same person read my posts and think I'm not aware of the roster disparity between us and the Dubs/Cavs/Spurs? And what same person asks questions and then ends them with a period?

You're wasting bandwidth. And hogging a stall in the girls bathroom.

 

Please self ban yourself for surpassing your self-imposed quota.

kthxbhai

 

Quota limit is a formula. It's currently at ten.

 

Shifting goalposts on this too just like all you're other posts.

At least, you're consistent.

 

Not sure if serious?

You think Harden has the same level of talent surrounding him as Lebron and Durant do? You don't honestly believe that.

Also, I find it quite hilarious that you would blame Harden for seeing the corpses of J-Lin, Lawson, Parsons and Thornton go out the door. What are those dudes doing right now? Not very much.

You're reaching very far into your bag right now, BBholic. You're a great illusionist but this isn't some of your finer work, maybe take a step back from the keyboard for a bit and try to think about what it is you're doing when you wake up every morning. I liked you better in the Dmo threads, because at least there you appeared to be something of an insider but you've gone downhill since then, sort of like Ralph Macchio after he made the first Karate Kid movie.

 

If we were playing basketball I'd beat you 21-0 because you bite on everything. (You asked for that one.)

 

When you make statements that I think we have the same level of talent as LeBron I quit reading the post. Not going to waste my time.