[All Hail Satan] The First Trump Effect: The TPP Is Dead

After Bernie called her out on it

 

What brought "our" dick to mind?

 

Shipping/buying raw materials is rarely counted as labor since they're normally serviced to or bought from other companies, actually.

I don't remember doing that.

 

Those folks don't work for free.

 

Trump has officially pulled USA out which effectively ends TPP. Waiting for all the leftists to say how they loved TPP, how this is a huge mistake. Prove me wrong.

 

I was opposed to TPP but not all that opposed to it. It's good that it isn't going to take effect in that it favored the richest of the rich. It's sad that it didn't take effect because it included the right to "unionize" for workers in nations where currently workers are treated horribly. That part of it would have been a huge benefit for them.

So there were good and bad things about TPP.

 

As long as they move in quick to fill in the void it left behind, I'll shed no tears.

The one danger is just leaving a big open space for China to strong arm all these countries.

 

This. Got to keep hustlin.

Part of the goal for trade deals is also to deepen political alliances as a counterweight against a bigger neighboring power.

Something tells me Trump won't be rabidly against TPIP as he is TPP.

 

So sad that Trump a right wing nutjob, albeit a populist is going to get credit for renegotiating these type of treaties like NAFTA that have been so bad for non college grad workers.

Yeah the cheap is one of their motivations.. The corporate Dems types like sadly Clinton and Obama try to sell it by claiming it protects us against China. Some claim that the TPP was not mainly about trade but mainly so big pharma and software and movie companies can extend their monopolies longer and have private enforcement mechanisms.

One of the more troubling things about TPP is that it decreases the sovereignty of the United State vis a vis international corporations. Say for instance the US would ban a certain level lead in imported toys due to pressure from US voters.. The toy companies could then sue the US for damages i.e, the profits they expected to reap from the toys. The suit would be in a private proceeding or arbitration hearing with corporate lawyer types.
Not a great example but off the top of my head. Some of the suits would make all but the most corporate righties cringe. Another better example-- I believe the Canadian pipeline company that wanted to bring the pipeline down was planning on suing the US for expected lost profits under NAFTA..

 

I know you believe you have decided to compete with RocketsLegend to be president of the Donald Trump Fan Club and so you will jump all over anything Trump says or does but I am curious if you knew that Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren all wanted TPP to end.

 

The one thing that the Obama really failed on was communicating how TPP related to NAFTA. TPP was in many ways a revision to NAFTA. TPP was inclusive of Canada and Mexico and as a result, it included several changes to labor rules between the NAFTA countries. TPP was supposed to be the remedy for many of the gaps in NAFTA that Americans complained about. We forget but Obama also campaigned on renegotiating NAFTA in 2008. TPP was supposed to be that. The idea was that in exchange for re-negotiating NAFTA, we'll include Canada and Mexico in a broader free trade arrangement. It was the only feasible way to get Canada and Mexico on board with new labor and environmental rules for trade between NAFTA countries.

Now that TPP is dead, Trump actually hurts his ability to actually reform NAFTA. He'll have a hard time getting concrete changes that benefit labor unless he just wants to blow it up entirely.

 

I know that, I'm a huge Warren fan. I wanted her to run and whoop Hilarious Clintons lying ass. TPP sucks balls and makes the US equal to the likes of Brunei on equal footing with the US. Very similar to CONCACAF for you soccer folks. Soccer powers like Bonaire or Turks and Caicos, etc.. have as much power as USA and Mexico. In fact, tiny islands have the most power. That's bonkers and the TPP was following the same route. We need bi-lateral deals not uni-lateral deals because we are the 800lb gorilla when it comes to markets.

 

Great break down of TPP - also read the critical responses. IMO, leaving the TPP might have made some US citizens happier in the short term, but will lead to heavy economic disadvantage in the future vs. China. This is pretty in-line with all of Trump's and the right wing's policies anyhow. Basically pump and dump scheme every time they are in power.

 

Yup those crazy right wingers like Bernie Sanders.......

 

TPP was all about guaranteeing windfall profits for big pharma and shielding wall street banks from litigation

 

Makes you wonder why so many liberals don't like this when their god-savior Bernie's for it.