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Bill O'Brien out?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Jan 1, 2017.

  1. TheFreak

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    Don't waste your time. It seems most people think that all Brock needs is a little 'play-calling' to turn him into something decent.
     
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    O'Brien: I'll be back next season. I'll be the Texans head coach. I have a 5 year contract. This is year three. I need to do a better job. We have a good football team. We need to do a better job, especially on offense.

    I'm tired of answering it. You can't even have a sense of humor about it. You have a sense of humor, people run with that. I'm gonna be the head coach of the Houston Texans. I'm looking forward to working this offseason to improve the team. I enjoy coaching this team. I have great feelings about the guys I coach in the locker room.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    I hate how he keeps pointing out that he has a five year contract. Like he's counting the days lol.
     
  5. tmacfor35

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    I don't blame him.
     
  6. Hank McDowell

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    Exactly. I hate the play calling as much as anyone else, but it's really out of necessity due to the limitations of the personnel on that side of the ball. This team can't win by airing it out.
     
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  7. justtxyank

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    It's both. Osweiler was terrible but so was the playcalling. An underrated problem with the playcalling is the determined effort by Obrien/offensive staff to be a power running team behind an offensive line without the skill set for the type of blocking and without a running back that thrives in that system.
     
  8. juanm34

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    We can't win by running it either.... we need upgrades on this side desperately
     
  9. Two Sandwiches

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    Man, this team just needs a quarterback.

    Brock shows little glimpses here and there. He's just got to be more accurate more often.


    Also, Fuller has to stop dripping balls.


    Sucks the year is over. I thought I was buying tickets to Pittsburgh at halftime
     
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    No brainer.
     
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  13. Major

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    This. He's seems to be a system coach. Instead of adapting his system to his personnel, he tries to fit personnel into his system, often fitting square pegs into round holes. People keep talking about how his system is really complex and difficult to learn (and thus why he kept getting ex-Patriot QBs for a while). But if you keep changing QBs, you need to adapt your system to not take a year to learn, etc.

    That said, I do tend to agree that with a better QB, his offense would look fine. But the fact that he's gone through like 9 QBs is a problem. He either needs something too specific to work, or he's unable to identify talent well, or he is unwilling to make the investment needed to get the caliber of player that would work. Whatever the answer, it's a problem that stems from him and needs to be resolved. They might actually go his entire tenure without settling on a starting QB for a full year.
     
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  14. Nick

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    But how many of those multiple QB's really had any shot of being great? How many of them have gone on to be great elsewhere, indicating the it really was BOB that was holding them back?

    Prior to Brock, absolutely zero actual resources had been put into the position, whether it be real money or a higher draft pick. The did make a real investment in him... and it hasn't worked out, much like how many high round drafted QB's also bust.

    I honestly don't think its as simple as just putting any QB in and letting him adapt to learn the system for over a year.... they need to find somebody with talent AND with smarts.

    If that's what it takes to ultimately win it all.... why waste any more time on guys who don't have it? Other than possibly reaching for Jimmy G or drafting Carr (which McNair was never going to do), can you honestly target a QB they should have tried to secure that would have easily met all the criteria?
     
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  15. Major

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    I 100% agree with this. But if BoB was the one advocating for these guys as his solution, then he has a talent evaluation problem. If he was advocating for these guys as a stop-gap, then his mistake was never actually finding the underlying guy to stop-gap towards. If management is overriding his desires for some other QB, then they are making a huge mistake hiring a QB-guru but not doing everything possible to get him the QB he wants to guru.

    100% agree here also. I've always been a proponent of investing whatever resources are necessary to get the QB you want - not just any QB that can be servicable. If you don't, you're basically spinning wheels and when everything else falls into place (like a #1 overall defense), you're still not in position to do anything. If you find the QB first, then you have him for 10-15 years, so whenever the pieces come together, you're not having to then solve your QB problem.

    No - but there are key words here that are important to me. You say outside of "reaching" or someone who "easily" would have met the criteria. I see those as excuses. You should take chances at the QB spot. You do whatever it takes to get a QB you think can be good-to-great (think Stafford, Flacco, or Rivers quality, not Brady or Rodgers). If you have to reach, you reach. If you have to overpay, you do that. Don't waste multiple seasons on stopgaps. If you reach for a QB and it doesn't work out, so be it - you're in the same boat as you're in now anyway, and you repeat the process.

    I think it's a problem if BoB can't identify ANY available QB (draft or FA or trade) over a several year period that he even *thinks* he can turn into someone reasonably good. If that's really the case, then his system is flawed.
     
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  16. Nimo

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    Lol That organization is a mess. They ran Harbaugh out after winning and then Chip Kelly was gone after just one year and a pretty bad roster. Good luck trying to win the NFC West with Trubisky or Kizer.

    At least with the Texans, you have a strong defense so you will still win games if you can't coach the offense up.
     
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  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Agreed, you'd have to have no brains to want to leave the Texans in order to go to San Francisco to take over that train wreck.
     
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    Not sure what this meant:

     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't know, but this one means that he didn't watch the Texans in the playoffs last season

     
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  20. Mr. Clutch

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    He's saying O'Brien is rubbing in Rick and McNair's choice in their faces.

    Except 1) I don't buy that O'Brien didn't want Brock.

    And 2) I think O'Brien truly believes osweiler was going to play better than savage would have this game.

    #2 has been a consistent theme, going back to playing mallet over hoyer. His talent evaluation is horrible.
     

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