well, I'm a Wahhabi but many call me Liberal! this forum needs a calibration or some sort of reset to labeling and pre-detremind opinions. Topics barely discussed, it's like cyber prison with the attitude of "my gang 'vs. yours" as a media of lazy opinions
I look at the data and there is no first world country without Universal Healthcare. We spend 2x more money than every other country and our healthcare is not better than all those countries. Please don't give me the unhealthy people excuse as unhealthy people are cheaper than healthy people to insure since they die off faster. I don't understand how this such a decisive issue.
Being left or being right is relative. The lot on here would call me extreme right. Most of the people I grew up with would find me on the left.
This is exactly correct. When it comes to this board, you have to be a decent way to the left to be considered the center.....but that's nowhere near the center when we're talking about the country as a whole. At the same time, if we're talking about the "center" in a country like France, you'd have to be extremely far to the left by American standards.
justtxyank is a moderate conservative and the just about the only conservative poster on this board I have any respect for. He knows his **** and posts with integrity. weslinder was also like this. The rest are pretty much full on clowns.
Appreciate the mention, but I don't think anyone who knows me well would call me a conservative at this point.
What people have not taken into consideration is that the country's spectrum, as a whole, has shifted left, in my opinion. A centrist in 2000 would translate to a "moderate" Republican in current day. I took a pretty extensive test and was a slightly right-leaning libertarian. I find people generally are not accurate in labeling themselves because nobody likes to be called an "extremist" in anything.
I think the reason that there aren't very many conservatives on this board is that there are so few respectable liberals on the board. It's all drooling nonsense like this It's a board dominated by people that are pretty far left of where the country is at who try to talk down to anyone who disagrees with their ridiculously hilarious political opinions. It's just not an atmosphere that is going to cultivate much positive interaction. In some ways, it's part of the reason why people who think like that have increasingly less political power.....yet that doesn't seem to stop them from getting increasingly arrogant. Hopefully some of the more out of touch posters on the left will get a reality check at some point and I think that would lead to a lot more positive discussions on this board. Sure there will always be the extremists, the trolls, and the simpletons, but those not in one of those categories need to step it up.
So Just because he was more liberal than Bill Clinton who was by most account a centralist or even slightly conservative president, he is considered extreme liberal？
No, you listed presidents, I was telling you that he was further left than Clinton and that Clinton would basically be a Republican by comparison to Obama. I mean, sure there are people even further out on the fringe left, but that doesn't mean that Obama isn't considerably to the left of center. He might be to the right of some on this board, but that means very little. Most people are.
By democrat standard, he is a centralist, you do not expect him to be in the middle do you? Just as any Republican president will be expected to be right leaning. Unless you consider vast majority of Democrats extreme liberals, in which case, there really isn't much to discuss.
When people say "centrist" they are almost always talking about the center of the country, not center of the party. Now sure, it's possible that Obama is in the center of the Democrat party as a very strong fringe element (Bernie bros and the like) has moved that party considerably to the left, but that's not anywhere near a centrist when talking about the entire country. Perhaps that was the problem all along, we were using the same words differently.
