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Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2016-17

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Oct 12, 2016.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    I'm in agreement that we need a big.

    I'll repeat that this has nothing to do with Dunleavy as the two transactions are completely unrelated.

    However, Josh Smith
    1) Can't play the 3
    2) Is not anything special as a rebounder

    If they add Josh Smith for free, fine I can live with that as well. I sure hope he isn't playing 20 minutes a night again though. The last thing we need is another bad shooter. We finally got away from that.
     
  2. justtxyank

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    Of course.
     
  3. Fantasma Negro

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    36 yr old Dunleavy's career shooting average on threes is 39% off 1271 shots taken (1.7 made three pointers a game). 35 yr old Korver's career shooting average on threes is 42% on 1952 shots taken (2.7 made three pointers a game). He doesn't suck, just not as good as Korver
     
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    **** it sign his ass, it ain't like Bobby is going to ever contribute to this team more than being James' ho wrangler. Which not to be underplayed is a very important position. Remember when Big Man was doing it, James ended up with a Kardashian
     
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    Nurkic would be a great get, just pointing out you have to give value to get value. If I'm the Nuggets I'd rather hold on to Nurkic than get back any of Brewer, KJ, a VERY late first round pick, or Gentile/Llull. A bunch of crap together still adds up to crap, imo.

    I haven't seen Nurkic a ton, but would probably prefer him over Noel and Koufus right now. I've never really understood the attraction to Koufus. And Noel will be getting paid too much after this year to make sense on the Rockets, who will still have Capela locked up cheap.

    if we took on Faried's contract, then maybe we could do a deal without sending a ton of value back. but i doubt DM has any interest in taking on that contract.

    Also, I think Wilson Chandler would be a great add. On this team it'd be a lot of value. Certainly at some point you can have too much depth as there are only 5 guys on the court at a time and a playoff rotation 8 deep usually seems like the max, maybe 9 to stretch it. But Chandler is a great glue guy role player type that I think would fit great on this squad.

    But again, I don't see how the Nuggets move him for crap back.
     
  7. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Oh?

     
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    Jahlil Okafor = Nene. They are identical only difference I think Nene is in better shape for our offense but Okafor has post moves sweet enough to make Dream blush:
     
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    I guess KJ was the salary matching part?
     
  11. Jatman20

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    I will agree to disagree with you & @Rockets4Life13 in post #969. My interpretation was Kevin Love
    was asked to be a spot up shooter w/Blatt. Keep in mind LeBron has been the real coach there for yrs.
    Then T Lue entered the picture & Love was asked to postup predominantly as a 4 (per LeBron again).
    That had a non-shooting Tristan clogging things up in the lane much like D12 did with Houston.
    Last season it was posed the question prior to the trade deadline: would you trade D12/T Jones
    x Love/Mozgov? I commented yes. I would use Love much like the T-Wolves used Kevin (@ the 5 for
    good stretch of mins). Cavs were using Love incorrectly. Soon after the Cavs figured it out. That move
    helped them win the championship last yr. Not sure the Cavs are the best in communication. The
    role for Dunleavy would be defined. Catch n Shoot, when they run off the 3-pt line..dribble twice then
    pass, make your FT's. Do those things better than Brewer & you got the job. I see the GSW's are saying
    they will target Dunleavy if bought-out.
     
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  13. Jatman20

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    Rockets are 6th in rebound differential at the moment. Ahead of 3 teams tied for 8th. But I see
    what you mean. Our guards have to help tremendously. Takes away from our perimeter defense. IMO.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/rebounds-per-game/sort/avgReboundsDifference
     
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    We absolutely need another shooter. I'm not sure if it's a priority over a big that can rebound, but it is a need.

    Our guard rotation is set. Harden, Gordon and Beverley is a great 3 headed monster that all compliment each other well. So excluding those 3, who are the other reliable shooters on this team? Ariza and Anderson...that's it. That also means Gordon is the only proven shooter coming off the bench.

    And let's be honest.....we would all be fine with Brewer if he could shoot. He plays good D with excellent length, is a plus cutter and plus in the fastbreak. But he is not a shooter, and that is his ultimate downfall on a team that requires it's guards and forwards to shoot.

    My solution is Will Barton. He shares some of the same strengths as Brewer (length, speed), but also has a handle and can shoot. Adding him removes the need for a backup point guard, because Barton can create for himself and others. Between allocating Brewer's 15 minutes and cutting back on Ariza's time (and another minute or so from others in the rotation), we should be able to get Barton 20-25 minutes. He has played about 29 minutes per game this year (though less recently since Harris returned).

    KJ + Houston's 2017 1st for Barton

    I'm starting to buy into this "backup center by committee" approach. I love Harrell as a small ball 5, and Nene as a dynamic PnR option. Neither are effective post protectors or rebounders. It would be nice to have a guy that could help with the bruisers.

    Brewer + Rights to Llull + Portland's 2017 2nd for Koufos

    Harden / Gordon
    Beverley / Barton
    Ariza / Barton
    Anderson / Dekker
    Capela / Harrell-Nene-Koufos

    Either way, I kinda expect that the Koufos trade is already in place. They've probably already agreed on Koufos for Brewer with other pieces in the deal, but we're holding out to see what else pops up. That deal alone won't tell me we are "all in", as it fills an obvious need on this team. The real trade I'm watching for is to see if they will spend assets to upgrade Brewer's minutes.
     
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    In terms of needs it feels like there are 3 areas.

    - Backup combo guard as Beverley/Gordon insurance.
    - Swingman that can shoot (or create shot) and is not a defensive sieve. (pushing Brewer out)
    - C/PF that can bang, defend and rebound against larger C's in the west like Gasol and Gobert.

     
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    Okafor> Koufos
     
  18. iJHolmes

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    Yeah we need a big man desperately at this point.

    makes me hate Asik even more now that his b**** ass had to leave, could have worked very well if he would have just accepted his role.

    Even t hough we've been winning, against bigger teams recently we've been getting destroyed in the paint. like OKC they were scoring almost at will in the paint.
     
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    Nurkic reminds me of what Bogut should've been. Athletic, good passer, shot blocker, good post player...
     
  20. justtxyank

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    I worry about trading a first for a guy who took a big jump in shooting this year. Is the 3% going to disappear this year and he ends up back around 35%?

    Creative solution though.
     
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