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[2016-2017] Donatas Motiejunas as a New Orleans Pelican

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Snow Villiers, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. MrButtocks

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    We matched the Nets contract DMo got. Not our fault his agent structured it in a way that was detrimental to his client. We also offered the QO, which you agreed he should have taken. If you think DMo should have signed the QO, why should the Rockets have offered more? To outbid themselves? To protect DMo from his own idiot advisers? There was no reason to offer him a bigger contract. Any guaranteed money beyond this year would have been a mistake, as we have the opportunity to be big players in free agency. A guaranteed contract for DMo destroys that opportunity. And I'm sorry, he's been replaced here and doesn't move the needle in our healthy frontcourt rotation.

    And I see you're still on that kick the can nonsense, even though Chandler Parsons is blowing chunks in Memphis and we're 30-9. Yeah, we should have maxed him out and taken ourselves out the running for Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson. What idiots we were for kicking that can.
     
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    Sad this thread has been hijacked by DD's ridiculous whining for Dmo.

    As another poster said Morey let him go for nothing because he wasn't worth anything. Dude couldn't get a better contract than 1.5M unguaranteed, DMo's not exactly the hottest commodity in town. Good for Pelicans for taking the risk on his back, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain if DMo pans out.

    If we're talking about the Rockets though a whining, might be injured might be not DMo would just prove to be a distraction on the team. Its not even the Roxs fault, who didn't show because he wanted "his rights"? Turned down 4.5M, gets 1.5M instead on a lottery team. What was Morey supposed to do? Cave in to a b****ing agent for a nobody player and pay him almost double his salary just because? Yeah right, pass.
     
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  3. daywalker02

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    It is all good, man. Dmo can play and no other distractions. The truth lies in the middle.

    He could not get better offers because people were scared of his back and he was inconsistent apart from a good overall season.

    The guy still got talent like a lot of the guys in the NBA. I would not fall in tears like another poster but it is a minor loss.

    The real part is that Morey's way is not appreciated by all free agents and their agents.

    People keep saying he's done nothing wrong, we won't know the whole truth.
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    Pelicans at the Knicks tonight at 6:30, will be interesting to see how he does his 2nd game back.

    DD
     
  5. cdrive

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    This is an instant classic.
    D-Mo and Terrence Jones say Hi.
     
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  6. daywalker02

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    Very happy for them. They should be comrades in arms and not just rivals.
     
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  7. DaDakota

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    They played well together the other night.

    DD
     
  8. joeson332

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    yikes
     
  9. daywalker02

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    Where is Asik and Destroy sulking? Could be on the trade block.

    Anyone wants him on the Rox on a poison free contract?
     
  10. J Sizzle

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    I'm not saying the situation isn't worth being discussed. It's rather interesting how it all went down with all the drama. That is definitely worth talking about.

    His value as a player has not been realistic by some. And the continued criticism of Morey over it, especially in this season of all seasons, is ridiculous, however. Harrell is proving to be every bit as good, if not better.
     
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  11. DaDakota

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    Harrell is different - and we could have had them both.

    Not all of us are going to agree on how Dmo was handled, I don't appreciate the way Morey handles RFAs....not Landry, not Parsons, not Scola, not DMo - I think you can negotiate in good faith to avoid them hitting the market.

    I think DMo would be a VERY valuable backup to this team - just wait until we play Memphis and they go big bruiser ball and guard our perimeter, and we have no post up option to counter that....or Utah when they shut the paint with Gobert - that is our achilles heal which would be solved with a certain 7 foot left handed center from Lithuania that we controlled the rights to....and let go...for nothing.

    Letting good pieces go for nothing bugs me....a lot......if it doesn't you, or you think he is not valuable - it is ok..we can disagree.

    Consider these 2 things....

    1. We gave Brewer 8m a year - with no competition for his services.
    2. We have Bobby Brown instead of DMo

    It is a condundrum.

    DD
     
  12. Texanasiafan

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    This is actually OK. No one should force others to agree or disagree others point of views.

    But I do think that when opinions were based on non factual speculations - such as "I do not believe Dmo failed any physicals by the Rockets", "He is 100% healthy and the Rockets are playing dirty", "there must be some under the table deals or secrets to be told".

    When you will go this direction, you will be targeted because people will feel like you are desperate, and you lost lots of credits on everything else you will say.

    However, I do give you the credits of being cool through out most of the discussions, even there were many others attacked you personally, you haven't turned it into any fist fights, unlike Hollic.

    This is actually a compliment.
     
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  13. J Sizzle

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    1) We'll agree to disagree on Morey's handling of RFA's. He's not going to overpay when he doesn't have to. He didn't handle DMo or Parsons or anybody wrongly. He just made tough decisions. Letting these guys go have allowed us to sign key contributors elsewhere. The RFA system is probably unfair in some ways, but it is what it is.

    2) Letting good pieces go for nothing does bug me. I was bugged when we let Parsons go, but I am fine saying that I was foolish in hindsight given the results we've gotten from Ariza at half the cost. I was bugged that DMo was let go for free, but he's been very easily replaced. Sure we could have both, but I'm not upset over it. If there wasn't a salary cap? Sure, I'd love to see us splurge. But there is a salary cap, so the mindset Morey works under makes far more sense.

    3) And yeah...Morey is not gonna hit 100% of the time. But I'm not upset with him over a few errors when the large majority of what he does works out well.
     
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  14. daywalker02

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    Morey indeed circled jerked a little too long. He did not do anything wrong yet this was not a clear cut, solid move.

    As soon as the league and player representation got involved, he released Motiejunas.

    There was no reason for him not to comment on it, but you know something is fishy when the league is involved.

    It isn't that simple.

    Morey and the organization released that Dmo did not take part in the physical, making it the only statement they ever made right away.

    They did Donuts no favor there, did not clear Dmo's name at all for a week or so, or longer.

    They were playing hard ball, both sides........ could have done it more gracefully, both sides.

    And believe me, this is not the last time Morey will play hard ball. Small Drama over small drama.
     
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    TBH, I am tired of DD's rehashing of the same points over and over again. Until more facts (or some convincing new theories) come out, there is really not much to say about how Morey handled DMo's RFA. IMO, everything that can be said have been said so far. So I just skip over those posts.

    This thread is supposed to be about DMo as a Pelican, not about DMo the RFA and Daryl Morey. That issue should stay in the GARM thread. Those of you who don't want DD to repeat himself over a million times, just stop responding to his posts. By now, you should know what to expect from him about DMo and Morey.
     
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    At the end of the day the reason why DMo is no longer a Rocket is because of his health. If he were 100% healthy the Rockets would have retained him. It's interesting to see how long his back holds up with the wear and tear of NBA games.

    It's time for Rockets fans to move on.
     
  17. txn

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    I complete agree with you that we might having trouble facing Memphis or even Utah in the playoff when they shut down the paint. But why you think DMo will help us in these games. He is not a low-post thread to these teams. D-Mo plays well to those not-so-great defensive team in the low post. But he doesnt make any impact in the low-post when facing Memphis or Gobert.
    Facts: (these are the data from his best year (2014-2015) to these two teams:

    1. Memphis, he only avg 8.8 pts per game (way below his season avg)

    2. Utah, he only avg 10 pts per game (also below his season avg).

    He's not as dominated as you think when facing those 2 teams. So he's not the answer.
     
  18. topfive

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    Dude, you just don't get it.

    The Pelicans only paid DMo the very least they could get away with paying.

    The Rockets, on the other hand, attempted to pay DMo the very least they could get away with pay...

    Hmmm...

    Regardless, Les is cheap and Morey treats the players like assets! And you should never let an RFA walk, under any circumstances! And we were wrong not to pay Parsons millions to sit on the bench in a suit!

    Oh, and V-Span wasn't given a true opportunity here!
     
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  19. DaDakota

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    See it is stupid **** like this, where a narrative has evolved that is completely false that is annoying, all I ever wanted with VSpan was to see if he could replace Rafer, because Rafer sucked....just to take a look and FIND OUT.....

    It has evolved over time, same as Dan Langhi, I make one joke about him being the future of the league, and it takes off into a thing.

    Just bizzare.....

    Anyway, I am cool with turning the discussion from Morey, DMo and RFA to what DMo is doing with the Pelicans......

    DD
     
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  20. Mazulis

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    They like him there, and coach comments are


    Galloway on Donatas Motiejunas’ adjustment to a new team in-season: “He has a great basketball IQ, and he’s able to just learn on the fly. It helps us out, because it adds another big guy for us. He’s another guy that can space the floor out, and help us keep moving the ball.” …
     

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