#BLMKidnapping - 4 black trash torture a mentally disabled young white male; yell racial slurs

Well, to imply they have a mandate is to say they can do whatever they like with the approval of the populace. The idea of a mandate is silly either way, but Republicans seem obsessed with screaming about how they have one after every single victory they get. By the way, before they backed out of the move Conway thought they had a mandate to do so. Guess not. If you are scared of the repercussions then you really don't have one.

Also, side note....Saying "Trump won the popular vote if you don't count California!" is like saying "The Knicks would have beat the Rockets if you take away Harden's 53 points!" it really doesn't even make sense, California is a state. It counts.

This is so off topic, but I'm sure this will come up again as the GOP tests out how strong their 'Mandate' really is.

 

I don't know about you, but if I was becoming President I'd want the majority of Americans to have voted for me. Not win by some sort of technicality.

 

I know this doesn't support the conservative's efforts to politicize this horrific crime, but Hate Crime and aggravated assault charges were filed against the suspects.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/0...n-chicago-beating-shown-on-facebook-live.html

 

Right, you stated the punishment are different. The FBI also treat it as highest priority because of their concern of it "spreading". This probably mean they spend more resources on it, making sure it get solved and persecuting it to the fullest extend. I think that make sense for crimes based on hate or intolerance toward a social group, people of different races, identity, religion, disability and so on. Think back to history - the persecution and slaughter of Jews throughout history, of Christians during early years of the Christian faith, of indigenous people by Europeans during colonization period, of African American here in the US, and so on.

 

Just stating facts, in 49 states, Trump won the popular vote by over a million, in California Hillary won by about 4 million. It's kind of hilarious that you take pride in that.

 

No, it's saying that they've been given the power by the people to do whatever they want....which is true. When you've been given the White house, Senate, and House of Representatives with the votes to swing the SCOTUS, you have a mandate to do whatever you want because you have the votes for it.

California's votes don't count for more than the 49 other states, that's my point. When you have one candidate that wins the majority of the popular vote in 49 states by over a million votes and one that REALLY ran the score up in just one, that doesn't mean they won the majority of support of Americans, it means they are super popular in California and nothing more.

 

Good. There was no reason for this not to be a hate crime.

 

Trump did not win 49 states. Trump did not win the popular vote.

 

D.Lawyer: my clients are mentally challenged too ,they thought of themselves as cops beating a disabled, no one in healthy mental condition would show this horrific self incriminating act on the internet .

*everyone acquitted after that, public outrage, toilet sold in auction* insane world

 

LOL Why stop at 49 States? Whatever makes your glass look more full, I guess. Seems awfully arbitrary, the number 49. Trump lost the popular vote in 50 States. #Facts

That's like saying the Warriors are on a 3 game win streak. When they're really 5-5 in their last 10. See what I did there?

 

Wait - so you don't believe intent matters? An accident is the same as premeditated murder if the result is someone dying? Thoughts/beliefs/intent has always been a part of criminal justice since the beginning of the concept of criminal justice.

It's weird that you want to exclude the votes of 12% of the US population to make some warped argument about what the US wanted. Why not say that 49 States + all the major cities in Texas voted for Hillary, and just rural and suburban Texas was opposed?

 

That's actually EXACTLY what you are doing when you bring up the popular vote knowing full well that the ONLY reason the national popular vote swung to Hillary was due to her running up the score in 1 state. In fact, it's like saying a team is on a 2 game winning streak despite being 2-8 in the last 10. Running up the score in California doesn't change what happened in the 49 other states and it doesn't change the fact that Hillary lost 30 states including deep blue states Michican and Pennsylvania which hadn't previously been won by a Republican since California was last won by a Republican.

It was a total and complete failure by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party......but they were really popular in California....so there's that I guess. Keep holding on to that while you keep losing elections.

 

California's votes count just as much as any other states which is why they're included in the national popular vote count. I've seen others try to make this argument too and it's just bizarre, Trump won the election but not the popular vote and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that fact.

 

Like I said, exclude California and he won the popular vote by over a million votes, that gives you an impression of how the election went everywhere else in the country.....if you couldn't already guess that due to the Republicans winning everywhere else down ballot. The fact that Hillary won California by 4 million doesn't change that. It's clearly a narrative intended to make the absolute ass beating the Democratic party took seem less severe. It was a complete rejection by the people even in states that are typically some of the most loyal to that party.

 

You actually made a great point. Despite the "total and complete failure" more Americans voted for them.

Also about Trump:
Given the 'rules' he won what it takes to win the 'game' but doesn't mean he speaks for the MAJORITY of AMERICANS. He speaks for more people in Wyoming, Idaho, Nebraska, but he doesn't speak for the majority of AMERICANS. #Facts

 

And there is a difference between saying he won 49 states and saying he won the popular vote among the other states combined. Californians votes don't count less than anyone else because of random geographic lines on the map. He lost the popular vote. Get over it. Defend the electoral college or whatever but this narrative that he won minus X is just silly.

 

Do you understand what "United States" means?

 

The national popular vote doesn't count at all actually, so sure, in that sense the votes that California would add to that wouldn't count any less than the nothing that the rest of the popular votes count combined. All I'm doing is poking holes in spin made to seem like the Democratic party didn't just have their ass handed to them by the country when it's obvious to any impartial person that they did. Basically it's just people looking for a moral victory so they hype up the national popular vote which was swung entirely by one state running up the score for one candidate......which is the reason why the national popular vote doesn't and shouldn't matter.

It was a complete ass beating that the DNC took all across the country....except California. Get over it.

 

So then what's the cutoff for excluding states from the popular vote count? Trump won multiple very conservative states by over 30%, should we exclude those from the vote count as well? Republicans lost seats in both the house and the senate as well as the popular vote for the presidency, the Democrats lost overall but it wasn't the beating that you're trying to portray it to be.

 

That would be your opinion some think he has done a great job.