They gave up nothing for him. They'll end up giving Brock at least $34 million There's a marked difference in that sort of "gamble".
I think the premise that Smith/McNair went out and got Brock because they didn't want to go with another BOB choice makes perfect sense. The difference is that BOB's QB's didn't cost anything. Brock is an albatross of a signing that will be remembered well after his contract comes off the books. He will eventually replace the Matt Flynn/Scott Mitchell debacles.
It's a 2 year deal.....that in no way affected what the Texans could do in the offseason. Hell they came into the season with 10 mil worth of cap space. It's really not as big a deal as you are selling.
Yes but at the same time OBrien passed up on a bunch of QBs in the draft and wasn't getting to a solution. Maybe that's why McNair gave Rick the go ahead to fix it (if this idea about Brock being forced is even true)
LZ is the guy I reference with that 2014 draft because when they took Filo' I remember listening to LZ saying he had him graded as a first rounder that it was clear the new staff was moving in a new direction away from Rick smith and it was clear B.O.B was calling the shots. As soon as Filo struggled and that class was presented with outside setbacks, It was all RIck's doing. These media dorks were also telling us how B.O.B called the shots when they saw 20 seconds on Hbo of B.O.B heckling Rick smith on his golf swing. I do think this organization drafts awesomely, hitting on 3 nice players every draft class, some were undrafted but it still counts. Those players were drafted by wade's vision of his defense and kubiak's vision of his offense, same with B.O.B and Romeo. Both staffs selecting nice talent but both neglecting the QB position. Kubiak had an excuse since schaubie was a heck of a player before his career struck midnight. B.O.B wasn't really trying until this offseason. Had Brock panned out, I can guarantee the media would be saying Brock was all B.O.B. I don't know what they have against Rick smith. He is not the GM. He is the right hand man of Mcnair. God's Satan. Don Michael's Tommy. If we don't have a qb it's because the staff at the time liked who they had and would go down swinging with who they had or the staff wasn't ready to commit to a rookie qb in their first years as head coach. If people want a GM that forces the qb on the coach then you have real drama. I can see what mr clutch posted in the other thread posted, that management could have gotten frustrated that it had been 2 seasons and B.O.B kept stalling by bringing in spoiled chowder clam. If that's the case, B.O.B still got to play savage. B.O.B needs to suck it up and find his qb in the draft, like actually try. In the end I think the houston media wants their narratives to come true and have someone to blame for not having that franchise qb. I'm glad the organization made an attempt at landing the franchise guy even if it failed miserably. It didn't do any financial damage. Now you try the draft. And if B.O.B is still envisioning the nirvana ugg offense, then give NE what they want. (better not turn out to be mallet). Let's say we do go after and land garoppolo, I'm curious to how the talking heads would lead the signing..."B.O.B shows he wears the pants in this organization." (after Jimmy's first bad game) "What a disaster this Rick smith signing. Fire him." {New talk about Bill leaving the Texans to coach P.E at Valley oaks elementary arise.} TLDR: I blame David carr ! Had he pan out he'd still be playing today.
Exactly this. Rick Smith is a scapegoat, in fact I think that's his main job on the team. Any time something goes wrong, he gets the blame, any time something works, they attribute it to someone else.....even if they previously blamed him for it due to the move being unpopular.
Awesome; thanks! Ah, I didn't realize the ol' "could've won if they wanted to" angle would be in play here; good to know. I'll pretend I'm 12 from here on out and even the playing field. Did you honestly list: Ballentine, Lonnie S Dillon, K.J. S Drummond, Kurtis S Fairbairn, Ka'imi K Rivers, Gerald OLB Still, Devon DE Washington Jr., Tony OLB as significant injuries? Really? The back-up kicker, for christ's sake? Strong and Miller played in 18 games and combined to make 29 receptions; they were non-factors, which is what Strong has been his entire career. Martin was a rookie. Johnson's injury was mitigated by the emergence of Bouye. Losing Newton obviously hurt; losing Watt obviously hurt. In the grand scheme of things... the Texans' injury situation wasn't crippling. Also: every team in the NFL deals with injuries. - the Patriots went 4-0 without Tom Brady and won 14 games with Gronk missing 8 & their best defender being traded after week 8; - the Cowboys lost their 1st AND 2nd string QBs in the preseason and won 13 games; - the Chiefs played without Jamaal Charles all year and Justin Houston for 10 weeks and won 12 games; - the Steelers won 11 games with Le'Veon Bell missing four; - the Dolphins went 3-1 in games Tannenhill didn't finish and are in the playoffs. And I'd be willing to bet everyone of those fan bases has at least one woulda, shoulda, coulda game. So... their QB situation is a "disaster;" their best WR had a terrible season because he ran the wrong routes and dropped passes; the second-best WR has "baby hands" and can't catch - and, again, you want to argue it's a team on the rise? OK.
The defense is better, I guess - it hasn't exactly played a who's who of NFL QBs this year. The offense is NOT better; neither, frankly, is BOB, who continues to make headscratchingly bad in-week/in-game decisions despite this being his 3rd year on the job.
I don't think BTG ever really has a coherent thought or argument. Everything is a domino effect from who he is arguing with and what he has said before. So he has said Hopkins and Fuller are terrible, but he also wants to keep arguing that the Texans "are on the rise" because he was called out on it. So he has to somehow manufacture something that makes sense out of those to contradicting positions so he can "win" the argument.
They benched starters including the entire starting defense for the 2nd half, and you still count that loss against them.....perhaps I didn't dumb this down enough for you. Yup, clearly I didn't dumb it down enough for you in that when I said Let's start with the IR situation, here's all of the players currently on IR Ballentine, Lonnie S Dillon, K.J. S Drummond, Kurtis S Fairbairn, Ka'imi K Johnson, Kevin CB Martin, Nick C Miller, Braxton WR Newton, Derek T Rivers, Gerald OLB Still, Devon DE Strong, Jaelen WR Washington Jr., Tony OLB Watt, J.J. DE You somehow read that as "these are all significant injuries"......unfortunately I don't know how to dumb it down more in order to account for your lack of reading comprehension, so I think we're at an impasse here. That's certainly one really interesting theory.....but when you think that losing 40% of the O line and the best player on the team along with numerous other players including key defenders isn't "crippling"......well I just can't take that seriously in that it's just an objectively foolish thing to say. You've seriously entered Mr. Clutch territory with this ridiculous take, so I'll just let you own it.
LZ was really defending BoB yesterday and rhetorically asking which QB's has BoB passed on. He said that the Raiders moved up and the Texans didn't have a shot for Carr? That was confusing. We technically passed on him twice and now that I think about it he confused Carr with Teddy B. LZ misspeaks a whole lot these days. LZ also mentioned Jimmy G. Yeah we passed on him too and should have moved back over taking X. What about Dak Prescott? Yeah, we could have him too but decided to draft niche guys that aren't versatile in Braxton Miller and Tyler Ervin. Speed kills my ass.
I know I wanted him even before his great Senior Bowl. Getting a DUI the night before the draft killed any chance of us, but should have made it easier to nab him since he ended up slipping into the fourth. It's all good though.. our boys will be attending services at church soon enough while the Cowboys contend for a SB.
Prescott was a happy accident. Dak was a 4th rounder (Pick #135, same as Savage) and the 8th QB off the board. He's been good, but that just means everybody missed on him. Even the team that drafted him didn't expect him to play, let alone play as well as he has. Yeah, some people were high on him, but not enough to take him in the 2nd round or before Cody Kessler or Christian Hackenberg. I'm not going to get upset about a team passing on a guy like that. The only legit guy at this point we can be faulted on for passing over is Carr, and there's an obvious extra component to that one. You can say we might be better off if we had Garoppolo, but there's not enough data to suggest he'd necessarily be the answer.
I agree with this position as well. One only has to go back and review Hard Knocks to see what Rick's role is with this team. He's not an Elway style GM - one who calls the shots and has total control. Rather he's more of a business manager handling the business operations for the organization. And I fully believe that BoB and Godsey both signed off on Osweiler before Rick negotiated that contract. Now that he's been proven to suck ass, everyone is looking for a scapegoat to blame and that's Rick. As I've posted before, there were clear warning signs on Brock that were missed by our so-called "talent evaluators" and it is they who folks should be after. They've had several opportunities to get a QB in the draft and passed so this is on them.
