CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

I think most Republicans are on the same page with Democrats. In congress both parties are on board in putting America first. It's just a group of odd party before country folks including posters on this board that are so extreme on this issue, their own party is more about America than they are as individuals.

 

I know you probably haven't read thru my prior posts in the thread, but I posted some good links that talked about how the US has released detailed reports before about priors hacks. This hack seems to be more and more questionable.

edit...wait it may have been another thread....i'll repost the links. Read them if you have time.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/29...-the-nsa-knew-about-previous-russian-hacking/

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

I don't think the intercept is too biased of a news source. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

 

What's scary, FB, is that they reflect Trump, even if they don't reflect most congressional Republicans. At least not yet.

 

It's good to see where the line really is with Obama. Use chemical and biological weapons in Syria crossing the "red line in the sand"? No big deal. Take over most of Ukraine? No problem. Hack the DNC and expose their corruption and collusion with the media in order to try and hijack the democratic process? NOT OKAY!

Like I said before, there's a reason why Democrats have lost so many elections over the past 6 years. I wonder how long it'll be before they realize it.

 

Who have said WW3 due to the TWN call? This is reflection of dumbness by author and you.

 

I don't have a problem with Carr or him investigating (I encourage it in fact).

The main issue I had was the wording of the article and suggestions when these steps are already starting.

The USA has always been very careful with dealing with Russia under Putin. The USA obviously knows more than has been released based on the deportation of specific Russia subjects/diplomats from a variety of places. Couple that with what Lindsay Graham said concerning the sanctions and it is obvious that there is a lot that has not been released.

 

Taking over most of the Ukraine, no big deal? The sanctions against Russia for that action has effectively crippled the Russian economy. I'm not sure how that qualifies as no big deal. It resulted in more extensive sanctions than this did. If you are looking at where crossing the line was, it makes no sense to say this was it, and that the actions against the Ukraine wasn't.

 

They rigged the immigration to work in their favor for decades and are now trying to reap the rewards in any way they can despite actually losing.

 

LOL. The reason it is brought up is because Trump lost the popular vote by a huge margin. How big? Largest margin ever in the history of the US presidential election. The second largest margin - a mere 544k back in 2000. It shows how unpopular Trump is starting is presidency.

People that can't stand that fact is the one that uses all kind of dumb logic or conspiracy theory (it's the illegal) to distract. I mean who the hell in their right mind talk about popular votes and chooses to exclude certain state? Imaging how stupid it is to talk about popular vote and only chooses GOP states, or DEM states.

It's also interesting how quickly you change your tune on Trump, but not surprising. You have always been a partisan hack.

 

Trump is truly the minority president. He's gonna have to move fast in cashing in on the office just in case the tide turns...

 

Again, it shows how unpopular he is IN CALIFORNIA, not in the rest of the country. He won the popular vote of the other 49 states by over a million meaning that he was fairly popular in the non-California states. The fact that the Democrats got a massive turnout in one state doesn't mean that a candidate that won 30 states is unpopular across the country. Look, I don't really get why people voted for Trump either, I sure as hell didn't, but pretending that the country didn't come out and support him while rejecting the Democratic party is just foolish.

 

I'm just not giving our intelligence services the benefit of the doubt. I just don't have blind trust in them based on their past. They may know more than they are showing, but they have produced very questionable evidence so far. Most of the evidence produced has been from private security firms. That longer intercept story does a good job breaking down what is truly known so far. The recent release from the govt provided effectively no new evidence from what I understand.

The timeline simply doesn't add up to me either. This hack was known about in September 2015. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

The DNC didn't realize there was a problem until April 2016 since they fumbled the communication with the FBI. Maybe the Russian govt was directly behind this DNC attack like the NY Times article says. Snowden has said the NSA would VERY likely know if this was an attack orchestrated by Putin or higher ups in the Russian govt and providing this evidence would not compromise our cyber security systems for whatever that is worth. We have released detailed reports on major hacks in the past as well.

I simply don't understand why it took so long for a major reaction. It's like the DNC didn't realize they had a major problem until their emails got released . It suddenly became a fundamental threat to our republic like a year after the hacks were known. Then the Democrats were really freaking out about it after Trump actually won. If it has been known for this long and since emails were being released during the campaign then why didn't Obama and the govt come out the campaign and put on full display all the evidence that connected Putin and the Russian govt to these hacks? Maybe more will come out later that will put everything in place and explain why this didn't happen. I'm just left with more questions as things stand.

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I'm probably just going in circles talking about this, but it is frustrating to me how partisan people have become during this election cycle. Even if I'm questioning things then people want to try to automatically label you as this or that. It's why I posted that thread that no one responded to about how to have a conversation lol. One of my good friends who is a hardcore Democrat said he's pretty much done listening to the other side and stuff like that seems to be commonplace now. It really is a very toxic political environment and I don't think it has been this bad in my lifetime. Meh...I'm gonna go shower and get coffee....

 

Aren't you the guy who says you just sit at home drinking in a sexless marriage? These are some off the wall attempts at insults for a political discussion.

 

Obama should have sanctioned their computer networks instead. Should have sanctioned DNC morons from using computers. Email ban DNC leaders.

 

Whatever makes you feel better about losing the election then welching on leaving the bbs.

This is vintage Bush era SamFisher.

 

See this is the difference between myself an many others. I call out the bullshit all the time not just when it suits me, my agenda, or my politics. There is no real difference between for example @SamFisher & @bigtexxx really. Sure different ideologies but both ideologues!