Look at D-league/Foreign players before a trade thread...

After the Rockets waived Isaiah Taylor, he ended up on the RGV roster where, at the beginning of the season, the dude was tearing it up. During the month of November, he was averaging 25.7 pts and 7.3 assists on 54.6% shooting, but more importantly, he was hitting 44.8% on 3's (29 attempts). His biggest weakness was outside shooting before going pro. Then, Miles Turner posted a tweet saying how he's been killing it in the D-League to which Taylor responded with "See you soon homie". After that, it looks like he's been out with a groin injury... hmm...

His scoring average would be #2 in the D-League right now and he'd be #5 in assists. I know these players' numbers are usually "D-League inflated", but just throwing his name out there as a bright spot who's already close to the Rockets organization. The Rockets already had a look at him and did waive him after offering him a partially-guaranteed contract, but they still thought enough of him to put him on the RGV squad.

 

GPII & Archie Goodwin.

 

Do the Thunder hold Dakari Johnson's rights?

 

Sadly most of the players being mentioned are better than Brewer.

 

Yes, I think they do. If I were Johnson, I would've demanded a tender for this most recent training camp so I could either be on the NBA squad or be a free agent.

 

That is correct, my bad. Teams must make the required tender (one year non-guaranteed rookie minimum deal) in order to retain a second round pick's draft rights. I meant that Johnson should've just ACCEPTED that tender. But maybe he and OKC have a wink-wink deal for him to get a multi-year deal (or fully guaranteed one year) next season.

 

Tenders don't expire until the summer, do they?

Seems very similar to DMo, except much more risky to hold out. I can't think of any scenario where I'd hold out for essentially no-pay (ndadl pay) based on a wink-wink deal of riches vs doing what KJ did and locking in my half million and going UFA, and still getting a massive contract vs rookie scale

 

I work a second job at Austin Spurs D League games.... No pure shooters on the Vipers. So guy named Von Wafer looked like a NBA talent on the Westchester Knicks.

 

They will play in Austin on Wednesday actually... depending on my assignment I may be able to give a quick scouting report

 

Note: wink-wink deal

 

2nd Round Pick contract negotiations is a "dirty business," amirite?

Stashing someone in the DLeague is not a "wink-wink" deal. You're just asking agents before the draft who is willing to be stashed. And the ones who say "me" are more likely to be picked in the mid-late 2nd round. Besides, he performed well enough to be selected to NBADL All-Rookie team last year, and still didn't get an NBA contract out of it.

"Usually in the few days leading up to the draft, just about every team calls around to agents and asks, 'Which of your players would consider being stashed if we pick them, generally in the second round?'" the agent said. "I lay out all of the options with my players, what each of the options means, and get an answer to relay back to teams. Then, teams come up with two lists. One is kind of their draft board based on how they rank prospects. The other is based on who is willing to be stashed."

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/artic...the-nba-draft-is-broken-but-not-beyond-repair​

Further, Johnson lost out on so much more money than undrafted players by not taking the tender. That's pretty much fact of his career at this point.

So, further, history shows "wink-wink" deals (DMo??) don't work nearly as well as doing what KJ did and essentially banking the Tender contract, proving yourself by first making the team, then playing, then getting Julius Randal (7th Pick) money the next year. He makes more money even by getting cut in 2015 camp, likely.

Also, maybe Wiltjer was one who said "No" to being stashed...and he landed an NBA contract by going undrafted, and performing so well in camp, he survived the cuts.

Which is better: playing in the DLeague for $25k to try to get KJ money with one team holding your rights versus signing the Tender and playing in the DLeague for $500k (or getting cut) then negotiating as a free UFA for KJ money, or getting picked up mid-year even? Again, whatever he was trying to do didn't work, because a year later, he still isn't signed by Thunder. It's mind-boggling how stupid he's acting, imo. Could have more than likely done much better signing the tender the first year and being UFA last summer after his All-Rookie showing in NBADL...or even better if he got CUT by Thunder in camp and picked up mid-year by *any* NBA team.

 

HeyP

Wink-wink deal.

Happens all the time.

 

I didn't say they don't happen...I said Johnson's situation is simply telling someone you will stash them until they prove they can make the team.

Asking agents predraft who is willing to be stashed is not a wink wink deal. A "wink-wink" deal is telling Wiltjer to tell everyone he will refuse to be stashed, then signing them a hour after they go undrafted.

And even if it was, it didn't work. Johnson is still not signed after one yr in NBADL. He's better to have forced their hand in 2015 Camp. Many undrafted players have made more money than him.

Where's the "deal?" Hasn't he proven himself enough as All-Rookie or was that just stat padding, and he actually is not good at basketball to trust his rights to force a $550k signing or release him.

 

Wink wink deals.

We have one with Payton.

 

That's what I said. Both Payton and Wiltjer likely told their agents to say they don't want to be stashed, so that they go undrafted (see quote above from that article), then we "sign" them an hour after the draft, yet another promise. Clearly this was planned, and discussed prior to the draft.

However, Payton got cut and Wiltjer was the winner.

This is what I'm saying. Rookies like Payton and Wiltjer conspire to go undrafted to get the big camp contract, which they both did. Johnson did not do this...he agreed to get stashed ... that's not a wink-wink deal ... that's just dumb compared to what Wiltjer and Payton did by refusing to be stashed (if we are to believe they worked the system to get on the "no-stash" lists of teams per article above). Payton now is in a better position (as UFA) than Johnson was in his first year out of college, and still better situation than Johnson's second year.

Wiltjer is the big winner making the team.