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Dennis Rodman talks about Robinson and Hakeem - book

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DreamRun95, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Hakeem was the more succesful player because he won more championships with less talent around him than the huge majority of champions and he had to do it at a time when his position was loaded with all time greats. Switch Hakeem and Robinson in that series >> there's NO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY the Rockets win. And let's not ignore that Hakeem came into Shaq's den and took the ring from him with ease. It wasn't a single series aberration. It was his performance from the opening round till the ref blew the whistle in the incredibly short Finals.

    We don't need to ignore the regular season stats to acknowledge Hakeem was the better and more succesful player. There is a reason why there are no rings for regular season. Your argument simply shows Robinson had the better regular season career. The Spurs and Robinson would trade it all for one more ring. That's what a ring means. Just like Curry would give up his MVP for last season's ring, or even just to take back the ass-whooping Irving gave him in the Finals.

    I assume you're a Harden fan and I urge you to understand Harden's regular season heroics are FAR overshadowed by his impact on his team's W/L record, his team annually performing better than it should in the playoffs (yes, even when the Warriors beat us), willing an average team to the WCF, and his career will be cemented not by his regular season stats but by the rings he is going to bring this team without the benefit of Kevin Durant or Lebron James joining his team.
     
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    Don't rule out Durant so quickly :).
     
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  3. FearTheBeardJH

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    It's crazy how many incorrect facts you managed to write in one post.

    -Hakeem didn't win more championships(they both won 2)
    -Hakeem had more talent around him than Robinson pre-Duncan
    -Shaq averaged 28 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 6.3 apg on 59% shooting in that series, but it turns out basketball is a team game. It wasn't Hakeem beating Shaq, but Rockets beating Magic.
    -Regular season matters. You need to make playoffs first which Rockets with Hakeem failed to do once during his prime.
    -Spurs wouldn't trade Robinson for Hakeem, because he would likely fake an injury and demand trade.
    -Harden will be first ballot hall of famer regardless what he does in postseason while finals MVP Andre Iguodala probably won't make it.
     
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  4. UTAllTheWay

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    1) A lot of people in this thread seem to be confused. Rodman wasn't saying he would stop Hakeem. He said the complete opposite of that. Hakeem will always get his.

    2) It would have been completely foolish to put Rodman on Hakeem. Doing so would mean that you would either end up with Robinson guarding Horry, or Robinson out of the game completely. This is why Horry was such a HUGE part of the team's championships... and it only solidifies the idea that Horry was way ahead of his time.

    Rodman was 100% on the money. The only problem is, Houston probably wins that series regardless.
     
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  5. Richie_Rich

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    Is a Harden fanboy really trying to say Robinson had a better career than Olajuwon? That he was a better player than Dream???

    This is what happens when millennials look down their noses and spit out meaningless regular season career metrics in order to boast how much smarter they are than those who actually watched those postseason matchups LIVE.

    Thanks for the comedy, kiddo.

    Carry on...
     
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  6. DreamRun95

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    I'm just curious..What stat measures heart of a champion?
     
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  7. tinman

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    I told you about player only fans
    Not only are they fake rockets fans they are stupid too

    I want them all eliminated and make it pure rockets fans only

    Any one who questions Hakeem on this board is a red flag from our Clutchfans terrorism division.

    Deport them to Utah
     
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    Fittingly, Glide got the final assist.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Lol, repeat this analysis for playoffs.

    It's not close.

    Hakeem vastly outplayed him in their playoff careers, not one series.

    Robinson even got shut down by the Jazz. Can you ever imagine saying that about Hakeem? Hakeem destroyed one of the greatest defensive teams of all time (the knicks).

    But yes in the regular season they were comparable players. One issue imo was Hakeem could create his shot at anytime much better. Robinson was better at beating up on weak teams which isn't relevant for playoffs
     
  10. tinman

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    Beware of fake fans
     
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    The Worm wouldve have done a better job in the 2nd half...but it really didnt matter that series. Dream was on another level. His was inventing moves in that series. David Robinson was victim to the greatness of Hakeem.

    Rodman wouldve been a tad quicker...but Hakeem was devastating because of how quickly he was able to get to his counter moves. Couple that with a height advantage...Rodman wouldve had just as much difficulty guarding Hakeem in the post.
     
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  12. Jontro

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    this is where tinman should drop some knowledge. c'mon breh, don't just focus on the lin thread.
     
  13. D-rock

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    Dream didn't just beat them on court, he beat them even before they got on the court. After the first game, he took their will too. Robinson was plain scared, and that trickled down to the entire team.
     
  14. Jturbofuel

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    Rodman wasn't going to get the benefit of the doubt from the refs so I kinda agree with him that if they would have put him on Dream in the first half he would have been on the bench in foul trouble quick.

    The thing that is overlooked over about that playoff run is how when Rudy went to the small starting lineup with Elie at the 3 and Horry at the 4 we became a matchup nightmare because Rodman and Barkley both had no interest in guarding Horry at the 3 pt line.
     
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    /thread.
     
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  16. tinman

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    What's there to say?
    You had to get a hall of fame front court to guard Dream and he still went off for 40
    Hall of fame defenders and a rebounding champion
     
  17. Liberon

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    I'm not religious, but Hakeem is probably the strongest devout Muslim/Abrahamic (including Judaism/Chritianity) athlete I've ever seen perform at the highest levels. I remember he played a game while completely sick and dehydrated without ever much taking a sip of liquid in observance of Ramadan to the highest regard. No way anybody can get into that type of person's head.
     
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  18. Raven

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    What was he supposed to do, throw Avery against a locker? Robinson was 100% professional. He got beat by a better player, but he took it like a man and didn't make excuses. I have major respect for David Robinson. SA was lucky to have him as a player for his entire career. My opinion of Rodman is almost the exact opposite.
     
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  19. rimrocker

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    Yes, but he was a bit of a hothead earlier in his career.
     
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  20. CometsWin

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    Yep. Even Terry Cummings took a few turns getting scorched. Dream did a no look finger roll over him and didn't even turn around to see if it went in.

    Rodman wasn't big enough or strong enough to handle Dream inside.
     
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