CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

Like 2008? Or 2012? Or 1992? Or 1996? Methinks= a bit off. Understand about some recent events, but in the last 20 years? "Keep losing?" Nah. Both sides win, both sides lose.

But Left needs to stop treating every little thing tRUMP says as huge tragedy. You know he's dumb, I know he's dumb. Get used to big dummy in the White House.

Both my wives love him, for some reason- so, I deal with 2 dummies every day in my house. Maybe time to get new wives.

 

This info is not new - it is six months old. Obama chose to do nothing of than scold Putin. And this has nothing to do with Trump as the OP title incorrectly states - this is about Putin and Clinton.

BTW, time is not linear - you should read up on the works of Albert Einstein. And I'm not sure what that comment has to do with the topic.

 

It is new. The CIA said new information lead to the conclusion. If you don't trust the CIA, fine. But you don't get you make up stuff based on your beliefs.

It is about Russia trying to sway the election to Trump. That's the topic. Bringing up Clinton is your failure to stay on topic.

You know what I mean about time. You seem to think knowledge of all Russian activities is known instantly at the time of knowing the hack to the DNC. It takes time to investigate and new information, by it's definition occur after old information, in increasing time order.

 

In the past 6 years Democrats have lost over 1000 seats to Republicans when you count state legislatures and governorships along with house and senate seats.....so yeah, "keep losing". Democrats managed to lose both Michigan and Pennsylvania in a presidential election, something they hadn't done since Reagan and yet they still fail to see what they are doing wrong.

When you get totally stomped out and respond with arrogance, it's funny at first, but at some point you have to question mental competence when it continues.

 

tRUMP wins. America loses. Very Sad!

 

Rule One for the Illuminati - You never talk about the Illuminati.

 

It is not made up. Either Obama knew Russia was responsible and told Putin to stop (six months ago), or Obama is a liar. Which is it?

Sorry to say it again, but Putin cited Clinton as being personally responsible for the 2011 protests - not Trump.

 

I was not for Trump, but the way the leftists react is embarrassing. Instead of accepting that this is what voters wanted, they have to blame Putin, Fake News, etc. etc. - maybe, just maybe, you lost because the majority required within the voting system just happened to vote for the other guy? And maybe that has to do with people being tired of what you stand for?

 

Ya gotta admit it's funny that the only electors so far to vote other than the candidate their state voted for so far is Hillary. Even that plan seems to have backfired.

 

Have you considered it was the sum total of the events?

No one actually thought Trump would win, not even Trump. Not a big public deal about Russian hacking if Clinton still wins.

 

You are talking in circle. Everyone knew Russia was involved in the hack. No one knew they were involved in trying to sway election to Putin. You made that up or based it on complete assumptions or failure of understanding. If you actually list out your reasons for making that claim in a logical manners, I'm open to listen. You failed to show anything worthwhile to consider, as usual with these weird statements of your.

That last point is another strange one. Is that your evidence that everyone should know Putin will sway the election away from Clinton?

 

And maybe you aren't paying attention, ATW. That's unlike you (shrug).

 

Well, a few things.
1. He lost the popular vote by a historic margin, for an eventual winner. It's hard for most people to accept that as "what voters wanted." This hasn't happened for about 150 years in our country. The result is what some perfectly placed midwestern voters wanted, in the end, versus millions more who didn't want it elsewhere. But he won by the rules.

2. Russia being involved (which, unless you think multiple American intelligence agencies, some of whom generally hated Clinton, are making it up, seems to be true) is unprecedented according to long-time CIA leaders and a group of bipartisan senators. Personally, I don't think this cost HRC her narrow defeat (tens of thousands of votes in a few states), but it was a very weird year, and to have the new people in absolute power largely dismiss it makes it more alarming to a lot of people. Politics used to stop at our borders, but now a lot of people are suddenly more trusting of a dictator overseas than they are our own intelligence agencies. So that's noteworthy and some people will freak out about that turn of events.

3. The main thing, I think, for the left, is that Trump seems like such a bullying ogre who will pursue several unAmerican things: watchlists, attacking the free press, dismantling federal agencies he doesn't like, stifling opposition, etc. The turn away from facts and rationality really does scare a lot of intellectual people. But they better get over it, and figure out a new path/message than clear-headed argument, I agree.

In the end, I agree the left is freaking out too much, to no real effect. This reminds me of a guy who is shocked when his wife leaves him. "I didn't see it coming!" Really? Did you ever take in data during the last few years when she was listening to AM radio all day and quit having sex with you?

 

It's called a marketplace of ideas. Does everyone try to advance their ideas on that marketplace? Yes. Does Russia do it? Yes. Do Russians vote in the US election? No.

Basically, a lot of this strikes me as "we lost, rah-rah-rah, let's change the rules".

This whole hysteria about "fake news" - same thing - "we lost, must be because everyone is reading fake news".

No. You lost because you suck. SamFisher sucks. Nobody likes him. His combination of arrogance and being a dimwit makes him a guy who is totally not likeable. People like SamFisher thought they could call people who disagree with them a basket of deplorables and get away with it. Nope.

Trump should never have won. He didn't win because of Russia, he won because you suck, and your candidate sucked.

 

This is 100% correct.....but you can't expect a Democrat to be allowed to agree with it.

 

Shouldn't have even been a plan. No way electors going to change. Bunch of fools wanting that. Dumb.

Election over, tRUMP President, done, finished. OK, so deal with it. Put on big boy and big girl pants and move on. Stop protesting - get involved in politics. Have a lot of great sex (3x per week, min.- unless you have 2 women like me- then maybe 2x per week with each), drink plenty of saki, read Descartes... eat sushi, watch Kurosawa movies and Rockets games... then... prepare for 2018.

Get better candidate than Clinton for 2020.

Very Good!

 

So Obama never told Putin to cut it out or he lied? Which is it?

Like I said, this info is six months old, and Obama did nothing.

2012 is calling to let Obama know that it is time to take Russia as a serious geopolitical foe. Question is: will Obama answer that call?

 

You sound like a sore loser.

Who voted, the Russians? Or American citizens?

Answer the question.

P.S.: I am on record as being anything but a Trump fan. I'm actually quite worried about what a narcissistic, vindictive, ill-tempered egomaniac will do in the White House. So I am not schooling you because I am for Trump. Just because the butthurt is so ridiculously strong with you.