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Center position - options

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ilias, Jul 3, 2016.

  1. LCAhmed

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    Wouldn't mind adding some names I've read in here. Chandler, Leonard, shoot even a cheap flyer contract on McGee.
     
  2. glimmertwins

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    If Meyers Leonard could be had on the cheap he might not be a bad backup/situational type of guy. He's a legit floor stretcher although a poor defender and an injury risk - basically line him up with the rest of our hot shooting/poor defensive/injury risk acquisitions this year.
     
  3. ilias

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    Time to revive this thread after Capela's injury. Out of my 11 summer options we opted for Nene. I thought it would be worth summarizing the options we have now.

    Option A - trade with a team that could make a center available for trade (contract duration does not include this season):
    1. Tyler Zeller (Boston): $8m/y, 1y left, TO in summer, plays 13 mins/game
    2. Spencer Hawes (Charlotte): 6m/y, 1y left, PO in summer, plays 17 mins/game
    3. Bojan Marjanovic (Detroit): 7m/y, 2y left, plays 5mins/game
    4. Kevin Seraphin (Indiana): $1.8m/y, 1y left, plays 10mins/game
    5. Tarik Black (Lakers): $6.5m/y, 1y left, plays 14mins/game
    6. Greg Monroe (Bucks): $17m/y, 1y left, PO in summer, plays 19mins/game
    7. Miles Plumlee (Bucks): $13m/y, 3y left, plays 11mins/game
    8. Jordan Hill (Wolves): $4m/y, 1y left, TO in summer, does not play
    9. Nicola Vucevic: $12m/y, 2y left, plays 28 mins/game
    10. Nerlens Noel (76ers): $5m/y, 1y left, does not play
    11. Tyson Chandler (Suns): $13m/y, 2y left, plays 28mins/game
    12. Kosta Koufos (Kings): $8m/y, 2y left, PO summer 2018, plays 20mins/game

    Option B – approach free agents / playing overseas: DMo, Josh Smith, Jason Thompson, Dorsey

    Option C – solve the problem organically: give more minutes to Nene and Harrell, bring Onuaku up from D-League, play smaller line-ups, take the short-term hit (2-3 extra losses?) and address the situation in the summer

    Morey will be looking for someone that:
    a) Can provide decent production including rebounding and/or rim protection (improvement on Nene and Harrell): rules out Hawes, Marjanovic, Seraphin
    b) Does not hinder our flexibility this summer (either few years left or value contract that can be traded): rules out Plumlee, Chandler
    c) Fits our style of play (no post-ups, runs P&R): rules out Monroe, Vucevic

    Summary: Koufos and Noel are the only options that would make us better without hindering flexibility. Koufos will require less assets sent to the Kings, but Noel would be the dream acquisition as he is a real upgrade on Capela, has low contract and plenty of room to improve. Black, Hill and Zeller are reasonable low risk options, but their upside is limited, hardly worth the trouble unless they think Capela is out for long. Josh Smith would be a gamble, but Morey is known for taking some.

    TLDR version: Unless Morey can get one of Koufos or Noel, expect him to address this internally or grab an FA like Josh Smith.
     
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  4. PeppermintCandy

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    If Capela is able to come back in, say, six weeks, I think the Rockets will opt to increase the playing time of Nene and Harrell and hope to stay in the hunt until Capela heals. For that strategy, they could use a cheap big who can be insurance at the end of the bench and some extra fouls while Capela is out.

    I did not even realize Jordan Hill was in Minnesota, but if he's healthy, he would be a pretty good get. And most importantly, at a 4 mil deal for the season, he wouldn't cost much to acquire.

    Joey Dorsey is even cheaper, playing on a two-year, $1 million deal in Spain, but I doubt Morey takes a third stab at him. Plus, Dorsey would be too offensively challenged for D'Antoni, I think.
     
  5. vtjsr2

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    I think we should push for Josh Smtih
     
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    second unit front court of Trarik Black and Sam Dekker? Black & Dekker.
     
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  7. ilias

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    BOOM! That's one for the ages.

    We should bring him back for that reason alone.

    Let the drilling-related puns begin.
     
  8. yixiixiy

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    I'm thinking Willie Cauley-Stein.
     
  9. ilias

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    I doubt the Kings will make him available. He is young, on a rookie contract, lottery pick. They are more likely to trade Koufos.

    Koufos is also a better target from our side: better player today, veteran, ready to contribute, a better fit given our needs.
     
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    Haven't read through this thread so sorry if this has been answered, but say we traded for Noel and largely keep our team in tact. What are our options in the offseason? Could we sign him and go over the cap? Similar to the tristan Thompson situation? Him and Capela would be an ideal tandem long term...
     
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  11. ilias

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    He is signed for 1 year after this one, so does not change our situation for this off-season. Don't think he has a player option. Presumably we would be sending contracts back to Philly, so our cap situation would be largely the same. In summer 2018 we would have interesting decisions to make in that scenario, we would probably be able to keep just one of Capela, Noel.
     
  12. yixiixiy

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trade rumble: Houston has made no secret of its desire to add a big man and the Kings&#39; Kosta Koufos, I&#39;m told, has emerged as a prime target</p>&mdash; Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="">December 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  14. Os Trigonum

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    article from the Ringer a few days back argues there are too many NBA big men and not enough work for them to go around (I paraphrase).

    https://theringer.com/the-nba-might-have-too-many-big-men-1a654d0b1dec#.rwax4fitv

    No Country for Big Men
    The Nerlens Noel controversy in Philadelphia has highlighted a serious problem, and it’s not just a Sixers issue. Many teams are struggling with a glut of big men who find themselves displaced by modernity.

    It didn’t take long for Nerlens Noel’s frustrations to boil over in Philadelphia. After missing the first six weeks of the season with a knee injury, Noel returned to a limited role off the bench, playing only eight minutes in his second game back, a 100–89 loss to the Lakers on Friday. He was not happy afterward, explicitly telling the media that the 76ers needed to figure something out about their logjam at the center position, echoing what he said in September. “I think it’s just silly … this situation that we are in now with three starting centers,” Noel said a day before Sixers media day. “With the departure of Sam Hinkie, I would have figured that management would be able to get something done this summer.” Their solution probably wasn’t the one he had in mind, though. Brett Brown took him out of the rotation entirely before their 108–107 win over the Nets on Sunday, saying it was “unfair” to the rest of the team to find minutes for three centers.

    All signs point to a trade, which was inevitable as soon as the 76ers acquired Noel, Joel Embiid, and Jahlil Okafor in three consecutive lotteries. They just figured any eventual deal would be made from a position of strength, given how highly rated each of their young big men had been coming into the draft, as well as the historical demand for centers with star potential around the NBA. Instead, the opposite has happened. Their trade leverage is gone. The league has gotten smaller and speedier over the past three seasons, making it increasingly difficult for the 76ers to play two centers together; it’s also decreased the number of teams looking for help upfront. Philadelphia mistimed the big-man economy.

    The Sixers will try to drum up interest for Noel in a trade market flooded with centers — and it’s a buyer’s market out there. The increasing popularity of small ball means there are too many big men chasing a shrinking amount of minutes in rotations around the league, and not enough potential landing spots for all of them to be happy. The old rule of thumb in the NBA was that you should never trade big for small, but there are a number of teams that need to do exactly that.
    more at the link.
     
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  15. edwardc

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    Nerlens Noel would be a good fit good size just needs a outside shot.
     
  16. D-rock

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    Jordan Hill hates D'Antoni.
     
  17. D-rock

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    I'd take him just for the rim protection and perimeter D alone. Not every member of the team needs to be a 3 point shooter. Rockets have enough offense, need more D, especially for postseason.
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    Once you let go of Black, you never get him back.
     
  19. Bo6

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    lol no he doesn't.

    when 4 shooters are out there (like the rockets have at all times) the 5 does NOT need to shoot. the 5 DOES need to rebound the ever living hell out of the ball.

    noel/capela each getting 24 min a night of high energy play would be amazing. this is what the dwight/asik pairing was supposed to be in Morey's eyes.

    maybe they will take mcdaniels back and a 2nd rd or something. throw in rights to llull.
     
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  20. bongman

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    What do we do with our import from China when he gets here next year?
     

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