CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

Space Ghost, I think you have to be careful and mindful here. If you have a good point (e.g. careful with Hitler references), you can deflate those good points, as your dislike of liberals pushes you closer and closer to becoming a Trump shill.

You can criticize liberals and call it accurately on Trump. Let's review.

1. Media adores freaking Trump for more than 12 months after he launches his campaign. NO other candidate has ever had their full rallies, early in a primary, aired on cable TV for free, have they? I mean, the guy -- everyone has admitted -- had unprecedented free advertising b/c he was entertaining as hell and the media made money off of him.

2. As MojoMan claims (and I tend to agree), Trump has "played the media" like a violin. Yes. He still does. Nasty topic comes up, and he "Trumps" them by distracting them with the shiny objects of distracted, ridiculous tweets. It's really brilliant, in a disturbing way.

3. Yes, late in the presidential campaign, some members of the media had a "oh holy ****ing ****" moment where they realized they had helped create America's first truly authoritarian presidential candidate and they tried to finally do some reporting on him (overdue) and then it was a cavalcade of negative reporting (most of it warranted) but yes, it was clearly leaning against him at that point. Even then, they made time to go on and on and on about HRC's emails. And to publicize Comey's late-breaking letter.

So summarizing that as "media was in the bag for Hillary against Trump" (or similar) just makes you, regrettably, seem like a shill. Right?

Throw your poo at liberals all day long, but Trump doesn't need a shill. Trust me. He has enough, and he's about to have absolute power for a number of years.

 

Sounds like you never read a history book.

Both Hitler and Trump used incredible lies about their opponents and minorities to gain public appeal. They both were masters of manipulating the media to their ends. To claim that Trump is a victim of the media - well, that's exactly how Hitler played upon sympathies, by claiming he was the hero and just a victim.

Hitler realized that he could not seize power outside of legal means. He had to use democratic systems within Wilhelm's government to legally take control. He did not perform a coup, he was given power with those who recognizing his dangers mistakenly believing they could control him.

Today you have another dangerous man, who is constantly underestimated and again, who moderate Republicans foolishly think they can control. A man who plays upon fears of people, and borrows tactics (if perhaps unwittingly) from Hitler.

Now - you get upset by the comparison. It's not my go-to reference by the way. This is the first time I have compared any American to Hitler in terms of how they gained power. Do I think Trump will commit genocide? I doubt it. I don't think that's his aim at all.

But the way he is taking power, they way he criticizes and destroys trust in sacred American institutions, is very much the way Hitler did in Germany during the late 20's and early 30's.

I'm sorry I am not being PC and I know it upsets you for someone to look at these two men's rise to power and draw similarities. But sounds like you really don't want to have a debate, you just want to protect Trump because as BBob has noticed, you're just another Trump propaganda Shrill.

An ignorant tool at best, at worst approvingly cynical.

 

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant! But they don't get it. Only thing tRUMP smart about is playing the media. Like a Stradivarius, or a Les Paul. Or an Ian Anderson flute solo (probably "Locomotive Breath"- TY, JT!).

Media report on tRUMP b/c sensationalism trumps all. Disgusting. You go into tRUMP rally, thinking, "Hey, I support conservative values, I don't like to always be PC, I want a change!!!"). Then, sit there for 45 minutes. Nothing but talk about poll rankings, his beefs against enemies, etc. Any intelligent person walks away thinking, "Umm... he kinda dumb."

So, what it says is: a large % of America champions stupid.

Very Sad!

 

Now, officially December 19. And tRUMP will receive electoral college votes he needs.

So, I say: OK. (takes deep breath):

America= just elected the stupidest person to ever run for President in the 200+-year history of U.S elections.

America= you lose.

 

As a jewish person who lost plenty of family in the holocaust, i hope you burn in hell

 

Yeah? For talking about similarities in political tactics between Trump and Hitler? I should burn in Hell for that? That's how you want to use the tragedy of your family?

 

Really man? This is what you choose to find offensive? Please.

Trump’s campaign has been criticized repeatedly for its connections — whether intentional or not — to anti-Semitism during the 2016 election.

Trump’s campaign CEO, Stephen Bannon, who previously ran the alt-right Breitbart news site, was accused of making anti-Semitic remarks in court documents. And earlier this year, Trump tweeted out what appeared to be a Star of David in a graphic criticizing Hillary Clinton.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-fires-back-adl-blasts-anti-semitic-imagery-trump-ad/

 

See, this is what tRUMP makes people do. Irrational hate.

Very Sad!

 

The more the knuckle draggers on the left freak out, the funnier it gets. Keep it up kids, it's why you keep losing elections.

 

Sounds legit. It's not like they've lied to you before!

 

Not a trump supporter, just despise people who try to use a tragedy like that try to push their agenda

 

I was going to say something else but decided to be civil and polite. Not ok to mock and make fun of the holocaust which is what you do when you compare someone to hitler. I get that it didn't affect you so no biggie to you but to people it did affect, it's extremely offensive.

 

Honestly, it's this type of attitude that will enable future Holocausts to happen. The holocaust doesn't belong to you. It's not some badge or special club that allows you to be the judge on what people can or can not say. It's something that is much bigger that that - but bigger than you.. It's not holy.

I understand it cause you personal pain, and I certainly respect anyone who has suffered - but that doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to discuss Hitler and his rise to power and draw parallels to other people who walk on similar paths. Especially when that person is using scapegoating to blame people and attacking anyone who opposes him as the enemy. If you really care about stopping future suffering at the hands of autocrats, you should be alarmed more by Trump than by me.

I'm not even interested in discussing the Holocaust right now, Hitler is a historical figure and should be someone people understand because of the threat he posed to humanity - the idea that having a conversation about his role is somehow mocking the Holocaust is just ridiculous, self-serving, and the ultimate show of thought-police.

 

This isn't worth responding to, you don't care and you don't get it.

 

Getting mad at a comparison of Trump's rise to power to Hitler's rise to power is like getting mad at comparing Charlie Chaplain's mustache to Hitler's mustache. There are undeniable parallels between the two.

 

First, it was the FBI. Then it was fake news. Now it's the Russians. What excuse will Hillary supporters adopt next?

BTW, the Senate has finally come around to opening an investigation into Russia's role in the DNC hack. This comes after six months of supposedly knowing that it was the Russians the whole time, and six months after Obama successfully told Putin to "cut it out" .

Why the delay? Why the lack of urgency? Why the lack of cooperation between Obama and congress? You would figure if everything Obama and the CIA are claiming is true, then they would have been acting months before the election, not a month afterwards.

 

You know that the Republicans control the Senate, right?

 

You know that doesn't matter, right?

 

The media loved him for the ratings, not because they actually believed in him. Hillary ran a very bland and boring campaign. You should be concerned more about the media losing focus on their purpose than Trump getting coverage. If journalists actually did their jobs, we wouldnt get people like Hillary and Trump.

Of course. He's a business man. He understands people unlike career politicians who only understand the concept of keeping power. Whether he uses his experience for the good of the country is yet to be told.

Obviously Hillarys emails were a concern given the left still doesnt understand cyber security. While the left was busy distracting how it wasn't important and Hillary was lying and denying, organizations were busy compromising more of their systems.

Let me remind you of this; You would have hated Cruz much more than you would Trump. Trump is an actual moderate. Cruz would go after gay rights and Row vs Wade.

Lastly, and I know you dont support this behavior, but the move to convince the EC to go against tradition and vote against Trump is a VERY big concern. If the left continues to hope for this behavior, it will lead to a very very dangerous precedent. We do not need the EC to take it upon themselves to decide the election.

 

First point isn't a point at all. Isn't about Clinton. You continue to want to make it about her because that's what people do when they can't stay on topic.

Senate is investigating the Russian involvement to sway election to Trump, which is new info provided to them recently by the CIA.

Obama and CIA and other intel agencies knew Russia has hacked DNC and believe they were trying to undermine the election. This is common knowledge. They have been investigating Russia. They even publicly warn Putin to not interfere on election day. You would figure that CIA wouldn't announce Russia tried to sway election to Trump without evidence (why would someone think otherwise?). If Obama has that info, you would figure he call for a full report immediately (why would someone think otherwise?). Since both of those didn't happen, you would think they got new inform recently to make their new conclusion.

We live in a world of linear time. Some stuff aren't known until later in time. It's not a hard concept to understand.