This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

he doesnt even care anymore. The man making 20m just sitting on the bench now...i dont mind doing that lol

 

I'd be the loudest most supportive cheerleading mother****er ever for $36 million.

**** i'd do it for 36 beers.

 

The only person left in the Brock Osweiler fan club is Bobbythegreat.

 

Well, that's because if the OLine knew how to block...or if receivers were able to reel in passes that were 4 yards off target...

 

crickets..

 

Must be crappy knowing Osweiler is a downgrade over Hoyer.

 

Let me FIRST say ...(YOU) Texans fans ARE A DRAMA STIRRING over-reactionary cry baby bunch. Straight up lol

This thread was started with FLIMSY PROOF, was just to go "against the grain". It was flat out what Houstonians and Texans fans do, DUMP just to DUMP and get a "herd mentality" started, lynching the QB before he EVEN SIGNED and got started! I never took this thread that seriously

-- THAT SAID -- The outlook and outcome happened to be RIGHT. Fans are JUSTIFIED on this one.

EVERY indicator and analysis suggested Brock was a bottom level performer. Very little to nothing indicated he was good, even the moral victories. (Not gonna speak on him in past tense.) He is closer to being terrible than he is to being good, meaning too much path ahead to improvement, and even a little worse from Brock and he's unplayable, just no other way of putting it.

 

I was at this game. While it was an awesome comeback and showed a lot of the faults were Brock's... During the final defensive hold, hearing the fans all chant Tom Savage instead of Houston Texans, was kind of lame... He managed the game, he didnt win it. The Texan defense was amazing in that second half. I am not saying we would win that game without Savage, it just seemed kind of classless to shove that win in Brock's face while not giving the defense any credit.

 

I think everyone knew that Brock was terrible at 6-3 but I did not think you should have benched him at that point. Money shouldn't matter but it absolutely does and if you're 6-3 making $18 million you're going to get the chance to play your way into at least mediocrity. They could have taken him out sooner than yesterday but 6-3 wasn't the right time.

Anyways, I've always hoped that Savage panned out because he has an awesome football name.

 

To those arguing about Elway:

 

Defense was actually really good all game, and it's a shame the fans didnt realize it - they only allowed 159 yards of total offense. Brock put the Texans defense in terrible position with his 2 picks in the first half that led to 10 of their 13 first half points. The 7 in the 2nd half was on special teams. However, Savage was still the man of the hour because you gotta be able to move the ball down the field, and Brock was not in the 1st half.

I was hoping Brock would figure it out at some point this season, but he's not ready for prime time. I dont think the Texans win that game without Savage. Savage got away with potentially throwing a couple of picks, but for the most part, he played a smart game and was able to keep the chains moving. The chemistry between Savage and Hopkins was noticeable right away. I didnt notice any miscommunication or miscues that we pretty much saw in most of the games between Brock and Hopkins.

Hoping Savage starts on Saturday...

 

THE TEXANS’ LONG-TERM QB SOLUTION PROBABLY ISN’T ON THEIR CURRENT ROSTER
Sam Monson looks at the mistakes that brought Brock Osweiler to Houston, and why Tom Savage might not be the savior the fans want him to be.

SAM MONSON | 3 HOURS AGO

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Just months ago I wrote that Houston handing Brock Osweiler a $72 million contract based on seven games of mostly average play was the single worst move of the offseason, and while nothing is set in stone yet, the Texans just benched the player they were sure was the future of the franchise before he even made it through his first year with the team.

The fact that Tom Savage received an ovation upon entering the game rivaling the kind of applause somebody who has just thrown a playoff game-winning touchdown might get tells you all you need to know about how Osweiler has played so far this season.

Osweiler is currently 35th in the PFF QB rankings with a grade of 40.9, and it’s worth underlining the point that there are only 32 starting quarterbacks in the league. Effectively, Osweiler has been worse than three backups, and can count himself lucky that some (like Matt Moore) haven’t yet played enough to qualify for the full-season rankings, because on current pace others would be ahead of him.

He is one of six QBs to have thrown more interceptions than touchdowns this season, and of the other five, three were benched, one (Jared Goff) came in for one of those benched QBs (Case Keenum), and the last (Matt Barkley) has been very harshly represented by some atrocious receiver play and hasn’t been nearly as bad as those numbers suggest.

Osweiler, though, has been exactly that bad (see passing chart below). Only Philip Rivers has thrown more interceptions, but Rivers has 15 more touchdowns and more than 1,000 more passing yards to his name than Osweiler.



Strangely, for a QB that is one bad decision away from leading the league in interceptions, it’s not even the bad plays that are Osweiler’s biggest problem, it’s the total lack of anything positive to offset them. Josh McCown has had the league’s highest percentage of turnover-worthy plays this season (plays that are graded in the lowest couple of gradients of PFF’s scale) at 4.6 percent. At 2.9 percent, Osweiler is only 12th on that list, lower than players like Eli Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger. You can be a successful and even good quarterback by being as prone to bad plays as Osweiler has been, but not without making good ones.

While Tom Brady leads the league in big-time throw percentage (throws that earn the highest grades PFF gives out) at 3.7 percent, Osweiler has managed one of those plays on just 1.5 percent of his snaps, the lowest rate of any QB that has been a full-time starter.

And herein lies the problem with handing Osweiler a boatload of money in the offseason, even if the amount the team is on the hook for is significantly less than the $72 million headline figure.

Osweiler started seven games in 2015 and in those games his PFF grade was almost exactly average. He had OK performances, but he had bad ones too, and his passer rating shook out to 86.4, just below the league’s average for all throws that season of 88.1. There was the odd flash, but there was nothing in his tape that suggested this was a QB that had more in the tank waiting to be unleashed, and he wasn’t making big plays that raised the level of the offense that was just treading water while the defense did all of the heavy lifting. In the end the Broncos benched him for a hopeless Peyton Manning because they felt that gave them the best chance of winning games, and a championship.

Manning is an all-time great, but the 2015 iteration of that player was poor, throwing 17 picks in just 10 games and managing only nine scores in the other direction. Yet in the eyes of Denver, Osweiler was worse.

Effectively the Texans — a team that has been in QB hell for years — decided to put all the chips down on the table and go all-in with the idea that if the gamble paid off it would be worth the money.

The team’s real problem is that with that gamble looking like a bust, they are right back in QB hell. While the fans may have given Tom Savage a welcome befitting the savior of the franchise, there is even less evidence that he can be that guy than there was for Osweiler only months ago, though at least it won’t cost the team millions of dollars to find out.

Savage has played just 126 snaps in his career, and 65 of them came Sunday after Osweiler was called ashore. To be fair to Savage, he played pretty well from that point, but the high-water mark of his career is coming out of a game against the Jaguars with a passer rating of 85.4, so it’s probably a little soon to get excited.



There are three NFL preseasons worth of snaps to look at for Savage though, even if the three combined account for only 102 pass attempts, many against guys that are now working 9-to-5 jobs outside of football. In those games, Savage has better numbers, throwing nine touchdowns to only two picks (and an eight-to-one ratio in his past two seasons), but his PFF grade on those plays has not been stellar, and the raw numbers flatter his play.

The bottom line here is that Tom Savage is unlikely to be the savior of the Texans, and given how much Houston has invested in Osweiler, may not even get back on the field next week, but we’re perilously close to being able to nail the lid on the coffin of Brock Osweiler’s chances of being a franchise QB.

Osweiler’s $72 million contract is in reality more like a two-year, $37 million deal, and if the team cuts him after the 2017 season they lose just $6 million in dead money against the salary cap, a move they would be more than happy with if he doesn’t improve. The issue though is that if they want to get out of the deal before then, they see $25 million in dead money hit their cap, so whatever happens they are likely stuck carrying his $19 million cap hit next season, which would be excruciating for a QB they have given up on.

Quarterbacks take time to develop, and it’s possible Osweiler turns things around for the team going forward, but rather like the offseason decision to throw money in his direction, that is now an act of blind faith more than it is one of empirical evidence-based evaluation.



Just months after they thought they had climbed out of QB hell, the Houston Texans are right back there, and an otherwise-talented roster (the team is 8-6, and tied for first place in the AFC South) is going to waste because while they might make the playoffs, they can’t win a Super Bowl without a QB.

 

From Brock's presser yesterday:

 

Bahaha I love Stephen A's long drawn out reasoning of why Brock is done. Followed by the guy across from him in the last 2 seconds of the clip saying it in 6 words.

 

Where do you sit? I didn't hear that. The the typical Houston-Texans out the gate chants were going on for sure.

Don't get me wrong, Houston Texans fans are lame. For the go-ahead TD/PAT I stood up and cheered and got "asked" to sit down from people a few rows back. Hadn't stood up the whole game. Not making that up even a little bit. Or how generally most HT fans are casual at best, don't understand how Brock's contract isn't guaranteed. The guy behind me complains about everything. 100% of the time. Stopped a run play for 2 yards? SHould've been a TFL. Wisely thrown out of bounds? WHy not try to make a completion? Everything. Captain Hindsight.

 

Of course they are going to chant Savage's name. He was QB for 8 drives. 5 of them ended in scores. One was the 3 hand offs to run time off the clock. 1 was a 3 and out and 1 ended at the one due to horrible play calling. So, for the most part, he put the team in position to put points on the board in 6 of the 7 drives they were attempting to score on.

QB play has been pretty bad most of the year and he showed a totally different version of a QB. He didn't look skittish. He looked confident. He made most of the throws. And while you say he "didn't win it", more than likely they don't win without him.